<html>
  <head>
    <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
  </head>
  <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    Hi Franz-Josef,<br>
    <br>
    So it seems that your idea is similar to the one developed by AICA
    which established ECDL GIS exams
    (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ecdl.org/programmes/index.jsp?p=771&n=772">http://www.ecdl.org/programmes/index.jsp?p=771&n=772</a>), isn't
    it? However, ECDL GIS is not a worldwide initiative. It exists in
    only few countries in Europe (for example in Poland). So that's the
    biggest difference :-)<br>
    <br>
    Regard,<br>
    Ela<br>
    <div class="moz-signature">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
              style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#000066" lang="EN-US"> </span></b></p>
      </div>
    </div>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2015-10-20 o 13:23, Franz-Josef
      Behr pisze:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:56262448.6010608@hft-stuttgart.de" type="cite">
      <meta content="text/html; charset=utf-8" http-equiv="Content-Type">
      Dear Elżbieta,<br>
      <br>
      I try to answer your question:<br>
      <br>
      1. The goal is to create a portfolio of certifications related to
      the usage and implementation of Geo-spatial Open Source solutions
      (as we discussed in Como). So far we take the following
      certifications into approach (with 2 - 3 sub-categories):<br>
      <br>
      <ol>
        <li>Positioning and data acquisition</li>
        <li>Analysis and Modeling</li>
        <li>Software, Application and Development</li>
      </ol>
      <br>
      Hence it is geared to "some broader knowledge & skills related
      to implementation of GI tools and spatial dat". As you can see
      it's not product-oriented but Tanzeel developed suggestions for
      the usage of tools from the OSGeo Projects [1]<br>
      <br>
      2. I think that QGIS certification is product specific and hence
      complimentary<br>
      <br>
      Regards - Franz-Josef <br>
      <br>
      [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
        href="http://www.osgeo.org/">http://www.osgeo.org/</a><br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 20.10.2015 um 12:14 schrieb
        Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote cite="mid:56261419.3030902@gridw.pl" type="cite">
        <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
          charset=utf-8">
        Dear Franz-Josef, Tanzeel,<br>
        <br>
        Your conversation with Suchith it's quite similar to the one we
        did in Nodebo during the 1st QGIS Conference (then it was
        obviously related to QGIS only).<br>
        <br>
        I have two general questions... <br>
        No. 1 What does it mean "FOSS4G/OsGeo certification"? What kind
        of competences should be covered by this certification - use of
        specific soft only (which one) or some broader knowledge &
        skills related to implementation of GI tools and spatial data?<br>
        No. 2 How is your idea related to QGIS certification (mentioned
        in the email)?<br>
        <br>
        Regards,<br>
        Ela<span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:gray"> <br>
        </span>
        <div class="moz-signature">
          <div class="WordSection1">
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:gray" lang="EN-US">----------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN-US">Elżbieta


                Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska<br>
                Head of Education Unit<br>
                Deputy Country Coordinator of GLOBE Program</span></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:6.0pt"><span
                style="font-size: 9.0pt;color:#595959" lang="EN-US">UNEP/GRID-Warsaw

                Centre<br>
                Sobieszynska 8, 00-764 Warsaw<br>
                phone.: +48 22 840 6664 ext. 116<br>
                fax: +48 22 851 6201<br>
              </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://www.gridw.pl"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US">http://www.gridw.pl</span></a><span
                class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US"><br>
                </span></span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="http://mass4education.eu"><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt" lang="EN-US">http://mass4education.eu</span></a><span
                class="MsoHyperlink"><span style="font-size:9.0pt"
                  lang="EN-US"> </span></span><u><span lang="EN-US"><br>
                </span></u></p>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                  style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#000066" lang="EN-US">PLEASE


                  CONSIDER THE ENVIRONMENT BEFORE PRINTING THIS EMAIL</span></b></p>
          </div>
        </div>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">W dniu 2015-10-20 o 11:45,
          Franz-Josef Behr pisze:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote cite="mid:56260D4A.6050804@hft-stuttgart.de"
          type="cite"> Dear Suchith,<br>
          <br>
          thank you for your message and concerns. I'd like to bring in
          some clarification.<br>
          <br>
          <ol>
            <li>Basically certification for FOSS should be based on the
              community for the community. </li>
            <li>Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged
              organisation like OSGeo, as you mentioned, and perhaps
              other communities (i.e. QGIS association [1]). This should
              be the "umbrella".</li>
            <li>Examinations should be endorsed by acknowledged
              Universities (i.e. Geo4All members). Here I am looking for
              supporters.<br>
            </li>
            <li>Education is provided by certified trainers (still
              further work needed)</li>
            <li>Organisational work and management has to be done by an
              agency. This could be an opportunity for Tanzeel.</li>
          </ol>
          <br>
          In my opinion FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications can be beneficial
          for all participants:<br>
          <br>
          <ul>
            <li>for the community</li>
            <li>for the further dissemination of open tools, data, and
              standards</li>
            <li>for the trainees</li>
            <li>for the trainers</li>
            <li>for the companies looking for employees</li>
            <li>for the organising agency</li>
            <li>for Universities (offering education).</li>
          </ul>
          Similar to [1] certification should have either a fixed,
          moderate cost, or a cost relative to the  GDP/mean salary of
          the country of origin of the trainee <br>
          <br>
          Suchith and colleagues, I'd really appreciate your support and
          your ideas.<br>
          <br>
          Regards<br>
          Franz-Josef<br>
          [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification">http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification</a><br>
          <br>
          <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 19.10.2015 um 15:42 schrieb
            Suchith Anand:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote
cite="mid:F41ECDB406FFAB4C8C6605C18EDE22F0047266@UIWEXMBX09.ad.nottingham.ac.uk"
            type="cite">
            <style>
<!--
.hmmessage p
        {margin:0px;
        padding:0px}
body.hmmessage
        {font-size:12pt;
        font-family:Calibri}
-->
</style>
            <style type="text/css" id="owaParaStyle"></style>
            <div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color:
              #000000;font-size: 10pt;"><font size="3">Dear Tanzeel,</font>
              <div><font size="3"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font size="3">Thank you for the email and more
                  information. The idea of <span style="font-family:
                    'Times New Roman'; ">open source certification model
                    based on geospatial technology competency model is
                    good BUT i do have concerns  on your  aim to </span><span
                    style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; ">commercialise

                    this certification under the umberella of  a private
                    company.  OSGeo Board should be the one who should
                    be able to take the decision on certification for
                    OSGeo software training.</span></font></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3"><br>
                  </font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3">I was not aware of your discussions with
                    Jeff and others on this that you mention in your
                    mail . I am ccing this to our education colleagues,
                    so they can give an informed answer and suggestions
                    to this. I suggest that you email the OSGeo Board
                    with all details, so that they will be able to give
                    you suggestions on the best way for this.</font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3"><br>
                  </font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3">Best wishes,</font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3"><br>
                  </font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font
                    size="3">Suchith</font></span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><br>
                </span></div>
              <div><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
                </font></div>
              <div><font face="Times New Roman"><br>
                </font>
                <div style="font-family: Times New Roman; color:
                  #000000; font-size: 16px">
                  <hr tabindex="-1">
                  <div id="divRpF949689" style="direction: ltr; "><font
                      color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b>
                      tanzeel rehman [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a>]<br>
                      <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2015 2:20 PM<br>
                      <b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                      <b>Subject:</b> RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant
                      for Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF)
                      UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
                    </font><br>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">Dear Suchith<br>
                      <br>
                      Thanks for concerns .yes it is my master thesis
                      and I develop an open source certification model
                      based on geospatial technology competency model. I
                      preseneted this topic in FOSS4g Como pre
                      conference and it was highly appriciated even some
                      of guys were really intrested. We had a meeting
                      also for accereditation and approval for this
                      model and jeff suggested that it should be project
                      based certifocation. Now a days me in spokane for
                      gis pro confernece because i want to commercialise
                      this certification under the umberella of my new
                      born company spatial junction <br>
                      And my second supervisor phillip
                      davis  appriciated alot.<br>
                      I need support and suggesstions from all of you to
                      uplift the OSgeo model<br>
                      Thanks<br>
                      <br>
                      <hr> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><br>
                      To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a><br>
                      CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                      Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for
                      Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt
                      Newton-Mosharafa Program<br>
                      Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:45:14 +0000<br>
                      <br>
                      <style id="ecxowaParaStyle">
<!--
-->
</style>
                      <div style="direction:ltr; font-family:Tahoma;
                        color:#000000; font-size:10pt">Hi Tanzeel,
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Apologies i could not understand the
                          background discussion on the topic on
                          certification. From Frans-Josef email some
                          time back i understand this is something
                          related to your Masters Thesis. Is this
                          correct? Did you discuss this with the OSGeo
                          Board?  If it is related to OSGeo
                          certification then you should get approval
                          from the OSGeo Board first.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Best wishes,</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Suchith</div>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
          <br>
          <br>
          <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
          <br>
          <pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
ica-osgeo-labs mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ica-osgeo-labs">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/ica-osgeo-labs</a></pre>
        </blockquote>
        <br>
      </blockquote>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
  </body>
</html>