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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Suchith, Charlie and the wonderful OSGeo community, without whose effective leadership this poor overconsumed planet will have a rough road keeping what little
intelligence achieved in a survival mode,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I concur with Suchith on the need to focus on “learning objectives,” by the same token, I believe that additional certifications in various software tools would
also be an attractive area for certification. MOOCs could provide wonderful opportunities for students to develop the necessary skills and be certified at various levels for a variety of specific skill sets. The OSGeo ‘blessing’ for these different certifications
would help to certify these certifications. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And as Charlie has suggested, it would seem to benefit from a focused dialogue, conference, committee, wiki or other. I think folks like Paul Davis (GeoAcademy)
would have a pretty good idea for what coursework/testing is needed at the various levels and different skill sets for different certifications.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I hope this is aligned with the ideas being discussed, if not, my humble apologies.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Patrick<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ica-osgeo-labs [</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Charles Schweik<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:26 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Suchith Anand<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">; tanzeel rehman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Perhaps this discussion maybe deserves a web conference to try and get to a common understanding? Or establish a subcommittee to really try and understand Tanzeel's proposal and then perhaps move to a GeoForAll vote?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that the idea of OSGeo Certification is a hard nut to crack... but we have valuable colleagues here who are passionate about this topic and are putting hard work in trying to move our community forward.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Charlie<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs:_OSGeo_Certification">
http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs:_OSGeo_Certification</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">[2] <a href="http://www.urisa.org/resources/geospatial-management-competency-model/">
http://www.urisa.org/resources/geospatial-management-competency-model/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Suchith Anand <<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">Hi all,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">For any geoeducation program, the focus should be on the learning objectives (not on any specific software or tools). Open principles in geoeducation (open education
resources, free and open software, open data, open standards etc.) are key for true empowerment of staff and students globally and making geospatial education and opportunities accessible to all
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">Our universities and our initiatives like GeoAcademy are already doing this excellently focused on open principles in geoeducation .That is more important and helps
create good global citizens .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">So there need to be more detailed info that Tanzeel should provide and there should be in-depth discussion and understanding on what Tanzeel is proposing, its benefits
for the students etc. before we can make any decision. Unfortunately, at this stage i cannot see the true value of this certification for the students or for the wider community. Maybe others in the list can share their experience/viewpoints on this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:Noteworthy-Light;color:black">Suchith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> ica-osgeo-labs [</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]
on behalf of Suchith Anand [</span><a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:33 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> tanzeel rehman;
</span><a href="mailto:franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks for the reply but i still find it difficult to understand the procedure and details.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Is it possible to send the URL or link to your Master’s thesis to the list, so everyone can better understand what exactly that you are talking about. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Suchith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> tanzeel rehman [</span><a href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 2:01 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><a href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">;
</span><a href="mailto:franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks to all of you for raising points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">1. As Prof Behr, mentioned earlier this certification model covers three parts which are actually the sector of geospatial industry. And in my point of view either some one is using GTCM or not but in any case
he is involved in data acquisition .analysis and modeling and development. These are the broader sector and we created the certification package for each sector. Using GTCM is providing the course content of Certification body of knowledge.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">2. It should be industry driven. My aim was to relate the geospatial education to the geospatial practical industry that if such competencies are existed then students or professionals can have better place in
market having this certification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">3. I think it would not be enough to hit only software based but it should be an extra knowledge related to implementation of skills.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">4. This certification model covers all aspects like certified os data professional, certified os gis/rs analyst and so on. So i think it would be a greater opportunity to work with QGIS and other software because
geospatial software has the similar characteristics as we have in our model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">5. In last. I am in trying phase to launch small company spatial junctions. And under this umbrella we will give training and workshops for this certification of course on OS. For this reason we need resources
and first of all have accreditation from OSGeo. I am spreading all this around the world first in Pakistan and now in USA. Give your hands and hopefully certification chain will be longer then.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Ps. Sorry for late reply due to conference it is very hectic schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From: </span><a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">To: </span><a href="mailto:franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de" target="_blank">franz-josef.behr@hft-stuttgart.de</a><span style="color:black">;
</span><a href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com" target="_blank">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">CC: </span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:00:37 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Good points Ela . I just saw your mail.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Also i have another query to </span>
<span style="font-size:13.5pt;color:black">Franz-Josef, Tanzeel</span><span style="color:black">. If the certification is based on geospatial technology competency model does it need to be specific to any software (for example it can be QGIS or gvSIG)</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">So for example, the students undertaking the MOOC programs run by GeoAcademy if they complete successfully the program they should be eligible for OSGeo certification (if it is established) as they have both done
a program based on geospatial technology competency model and used FOSS4G tools, open data etc.
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">So what happens if it is university is in UK (or any other country) that do not follow the geospatial technology competency model?</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think the idea is good but many questions to answer which i hope Franz-Josef, Tanzeel will explain more details.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Suchith</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska [</span><a href="mailto:ela@gridw.pl" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ela@gridw.pl</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Tuesday, October 20, 2015 11:14 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Franz-Josef Behr; tanzeel rehman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Cc:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Suchith Anand;
</span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Certification</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Franz-Josef, Tanzeel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Your conversation with Suchith it's quite similar to the one we did in Nodebo during the 1st QGIS Conference (then it was obviously related to QGIS only).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I have two general questions... <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">No. 1 What does it mean "FOSS4G/OSGeo certification"? What kind of competences should be covered by this certification - use of specific soft only (which one) or some broader knowledge & skills related to implementation
of GI tools and spatial data?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">No. 2 How is your idea related to QGIS certification (mentioned in the email)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Ela</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:gray">
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959">Elżbieta Wołoszyńska-Wiśniewska<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959">Head of Education Unit<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959">Deputy Country Coordinator of GLOBE Program</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">UNEP/GRID-Warsaw Centre<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">Sobieszynska 8, 00-764 Warsaw<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">phone.:
</span><a href="tel:%2B48%2022%20840%206664%20ext.%20116" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">+48 22 840 6664 ext. 116</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959">fax:
</span><a href="tel:%2B48%2022%20851%206201" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">+48 22 851 6201</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#595959"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a href="http://www.gridw.pl" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">http://www.gridw.pl</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><a href="http://mass4education.eu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:9.0pt">http://mass4education.eu</span></a><span style="font-size:9.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">W dniu 2015-10-20 o 11:45, Franz-Josef Behr pisze:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Suchith,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">thank you for your message and concerns. I'd like to bring in some clarification.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0in" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Basically certification for FOSS should be based on the community for the community.
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Accreditation must be given by an acknowledged organisation like OSGeo, as you mentioned, and perhaps other communities (i.e. QGIS association [1]). This should be the "umbrella".
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Examinations should be endorsed by acknowledged Universities (i.e. Geo4All members). Here I am looking for supporters.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Education is provided by certified trainers (still further work needed)
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">Organisational work and management has to be done by an agency. This could be an opportunity for Tanzeel.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">In my opinion FOSS4G/OSGeo certifications can be beneficial for all participants:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0in" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the community
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the further dissemination of open tools, data, and standards
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the trainees
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the trainers
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the companies looking for employees
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for the organising agency
<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6">for Universities (offering education).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Similar to [1] certification should have either a fixed, moderate cost, or a cost relative to the GDP/mean salary of the country of origin of the trainee
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Suchith and colleagues, I'd really appreciate your support and your ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Franz-Josef<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">[1] </span><a href="http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification" target="_blank">http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/quantum-gis/Certification</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Am 19.10.2015 um 15:42 schrieb Suchith Anand:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Dear Tanzeel,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Thank you for the email and more information. The idea of open source certification model based on geospatial technology competency model is good BUT i do have concerns on your
aim to </span><span style="color:black">commercialise this certification under the umbrella of a private company. OSGeo Board should be the one who should be able to take the decision on certification for OSGeo software training.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I was not aware of your discussions with Jeff and others on this that you mention in your mail. I am ccing this to our education colleagues, so they can give an informed answer and suggestions to this. I suggest
that you email the OSGeo Board with all details, so that they will be able to give you suggestions on the best way for this.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Best wishes,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Suchith</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> tanzeel rehman [</span><a href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Monday, October 19, 2015 2:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
</span><a href="mailto:suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">suchith.anand@nottingham.ac.uk</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation Fellowships
(LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Dear Suchith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks for concerns .yes it is my master thesis and I develop an open source certification model based on geospatial technology competency model. I presented this topic in FOSS4g Como pre conference and it was
highly appreciated even some of guys were really interested. We had a meeting also for accreditation and approval for this model and Jeff suggested that it should be project based certification. Now a days me in Spokane for gis pro conference because i want
to commercialize this certification under the umbrella of my new born company spatial junction
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">And my second supervisor Phillip Davis appreciated a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I need support and suggestions from all of you to uplift the OSGeo model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">From: </span><a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">To: </span><a href="mailto:tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com" target="_blank">tanzeelrehman130@hotmail.com</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">CC: </span><a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Subject: RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] STDF Grant for Leaders in Innovation Fellowships (LIF) UK-Egypt Newton-Mosharafa Program<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 08:45:14 +0000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Tanzeel,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Apologies i could not understand the background discussion on the topic on certification. From Frans-Josef email some time back i understand this is something
related to your Master’s Thesis. Is this correct? Did you discuss this with the OSGeo Board? If it is related to OSGeo certification then you should get approval from the OSGeo Board first.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Suchith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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