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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dear All Who Care About the Essential Importance of Open Standards,<o:p></o:p></span></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">When a public organization allows its primary purpose and essential principle to be trampled without vigorous response, especially when that organization is
accepting significantly large funding from the offending party, there is due cause for dialogue with strong words.
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</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">has expressed long, well, clearly, carefully and diligently, how the principles of open geospatial data are being trampled. And he has taken much heat for it. Simultaneously,
there has been a vacuum of response from the one organization supposedly responsible for those principles.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">These are sad days indeed when principle seems so subservient to protocol, in the face of obvious offense to our collective need for open standards.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> ica-osgeo-labs [mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Suchith Anand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Shorter; Carl Reed<br>
<b>Cc:</b> discuss@lists.osgeo.org; ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Cameron,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I fully agree that everyone should respect the OSGeo code of conduct and be respectful in the way the facts are presented.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I think OSGeo have done our job of highlighting the importance of standards in LiDAR data formats through our open letter in May 2015. OGC have set up a process and it is ongoing, so i request everyone to be patient.
You are right, OSGeo Board is only a few volunteers, representing a large body of volunteers, so we should not overburden them with additional loads. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">It is now for OGC colleagues to continue to guide the process forward and i request everyone to work together step by step for this. It is important to be patient , listen to all viewpoints and slowly build consensus.
I hope all stakeholders will work together in the common objective of Open Standards in LiDAR for the benefit of the wider geo community.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Cameron Shorter [cameron.shorter@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 22, 2015 8:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Carl Reed; Suchith Anand<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org">discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">
ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] [Ica-osgeo-labs] Do you remember this?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">Hi Suchith, Sergio, Micha,<br>
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Thanks Carl for highlighting the importance of mutual respect. OSGeo also has a Code-Of-Conduct [1] with similar sentiment to OGC:<br>
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<i>We strive to ...<br>
Be careful in the words that we choose.<br>
Whether we are participating as professionals or volunteers, we value professionalism in all interactions, and take responsibility for our own speech. Be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other participants.<br>
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The content of the text being referenced is pushing the boundaries of our Code of Conduct [1] by making fun of another organisation.<br>
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I suggest that we wish to raise this point with the OGC, then reword, focusing just on the facts, and ideally be respectful in the way the facts are presented.<br>
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Hi Suchith,<br>
I suggest being careful to not over-promise what OSGeo will do (in this case responding to a letter), unless you are volunteering to do it yourself on behalf of OSGeo. The OSGeo Board is only a few volunteers, representing a large body of volunteers. We can
do much, but we do it as volunteers.<br>
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Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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[1] <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/code_of_conduct</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 23/12/2015 6:27 am, Carl Reed wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">This policy was initially based on the IETF conduct policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">So before "stirring the pot" on the LiDAR topic again, consider the Conduct policy as guidance on consensus building.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 11:31 AM, Suchith Anand <<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk" target="_blank">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thank you for bringing this to our attention. </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The OSGeo Foundation will respond formally to this in due course as we had initiated this open letter for the need for standards in LiDAR data formats [1], [2]. I request OSGeo Board to add this in the agenda of
the next Board meeting and also for the F2F meeting, so we can discuss and plan next steps.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">But first we will wait for response from the Open Geospatial Consortium - who as per their website is <span style="background:#F6F6F6">committed to making quality open standards for the global geospatial community
and have been working on this by setting up a Point Cloud DWG. We have put our trust in OGC in this process , so let us first get the response from OGC. I am ccing Scott Simmons of OGC to get their response.</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:#F6F6F6">Best wishes,</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:#F6F6F6">Suchith </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/LIDAR_Format_Letter</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">[2] <a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-May/014222.html" target="_blank">http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/discuss/2015-May/014222.html</a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> ica-osgeo-labs [<a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">ica-osgeo-labs-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>]
on behalf of Micha Silver [<a href="mailto:micha@arava.co.il" target="_blank">micha@arava.co.il</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 22, 2015 1:55 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA; <a href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">
ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a>; <a href="mailto:discuss@lists.osgeo.org" target="_blank">
discuss@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] [OSGeo-Discuss] Do you remember this?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">Here's the continuation:<br>
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<a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2015-December/000960.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/standards/2015-December/000960.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 12/22/2015 03:45 PM, SERGIO ACOSTAYLARA wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">I remember discussing this in April: "Open Letter for the need for Open Standards in LiDAR"; now I found this interesting post: <a href="http://rapidlasso.com/2015/12/19/the-darc-force-awakens-esri-escalates-lidar-format-war/" target="_blank">http://rapidlasso.com/2015/12/19/the-darc-force-awakens-esri-escalates-lidar-format-war/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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