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<div>Collaboration with the UN Committee is more than welcome!</div>
<div>Shall we share our activities about SDGs? Excellent point, Silvana!</div>
<div>Nikos and wonderful editors of the Newsletter, it is possible to start with a special issue about GeoForAll activities for SDGs?</div>
<div>Thanks a lot for sharing this idea!</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Maria </div>
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From: Silvana Camboim <silvanacamboim@gmail.com> <br>
Date: 02/06/2017 16:43 (GMT+01:00) <br>
To: Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk> <br>
Cc: sg@icaci.org, Kraak Menno-Jan <m.j.kraak@utwente.nl>, geoforall@lists.osgeo.org
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Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates <br>
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<div dir="auto">As the current chair of ICA Commission on Open Source Geotechnologies I thinks can help to make some points clearer about this book.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Each commission was responsible for one goal. Ours (Open Source Geotechnologies) was mapping inequality. The content was created in collaboration with all Geo4All network (Geo4All Cartographic Challenge). It was committed with our open principles:
as it detailed the activities of 4 labs around the world. As this will be published by ESRI Press, and the format will be discussed during ICC in Washington, but until now there is no influence of the software vendor in the content of the book. The original
posters are available openly since the UN exhibition last year.</div>
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<div dir="auto">The concern that the ESRI as editor Will have some influence about the content is legitimate, but you can be sure that I will careful during the process to guarantee that our contributions will mirror the open source principles. </div>
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<div dir="auto">The discussion about open publishing is welcome, but we know that we are still not in the point that this is</div>
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<div dir="auto">One idea is maybe to create an Open Tutorial or webinar series on UN SDG goals, maybe with the UN working group? That will complement the ICA iniative and could be a great chance to further disseminate the potential of Open Source and Open Education.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Em 2 de jun de 2017 10:26, "Suchith Anand" <<a href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>> escreveu:<br type="attribution">
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Dear Anthony,<br>
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Free and Open discussions are the way we work and we greatly welcome different ideas and perspectives. We value everyone's inputs and everyone are welcome to join and provide inputs. We won't be able to even have this open discussion in the properitery GIS
vendor mail lists. You won't be able to even send an email on GeoForAll to the properitery GIS vendor's education maillist! You are always welcome to share your ideas to geoforall community, GeoforAll advisory board, OSGeo Board and we will be happy to discuss
ideas.<br>
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To be clear my specific query was on this particular issue where the voluntary contributions of all commissions (including commission on open source geospatial technologies that I am a member) for the UN SDG “Mapping” Goals are to be published as a book
. Having it sponsored and published by a properitery GIS vendor will mean they will have their own agenda promoted as the Mapping agenda for UN SDG. We have so many examples already where properitery GIS vendors have used sponsorship as backdoor to have their
agenda pushed. It is important we learn from experiences . We are a education and scientific community and it is important we work with all and listen to all perspectives but as this book is specifically related to UN SDG it should not be used for any sponsorship
activities from any vendors or pushing any specific vendor agendas.<br>
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This book is done by volunteer efforts of members and should be published as an open book through the ICA website in creative commons licence. So I really don’t understand why this important collaborative work on UN SDG needs to be published specifically through
properitery GIS vendor publishing house who will have conflict of interest to open solutions and open principles. Open solutions and principles are also key part of achieving UN SDG 2030.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
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Suchith<br>
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Sent: 02 June 2017 11:14 AM<br>
To: Anthony Robinson<br>
Cc: Anand Suchith; <a href="mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org">geoforall@lists.osgeo.org</a>; Menno-Jan Kraak;
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Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
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Finally, I'll add that I think it is quite problematic that there appears to<br>
be no collaborative decision making process by which GeoForAll speaks out on<br>
issues like this one. If I'm wrong about that I'd be happy to be corrected.<br>
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Anthony - this is just to clarify:<br>
we do have a collaborative decision making process to speak out -<br>
the issues can be presented to geoforall advisory board for discussion and potential geoforall official statement or if it is a broader issue OSGeo board can take it up as well. But anybody can initiate an open discussion and I think that is what Suchith is
doing - sharing his ideas and thoughts on his issue.<br>
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Regards,<br>
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-Anthony<br>
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Anthony C. Robinson, PhD<br>
Assistant Professor, Department of Geography<br>
Director for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton e-Education<br>
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Subject: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
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Dear colleagues,<br>
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As you are aware there is some excellent work done by our ICA colleagues by<br>
highlighting the value of cartography by “mapping” the UN sustainable<br>
development goals. Silvana and our colleagues have done excellent work<br>
highlighting the importance of openness in reducing inequalities.<br>
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I believe this is a very important activity but recently I came to know<br>
that the book proposal that is planned to be developed from this is being<br>
planned to be published through a properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing<br>
house. Hence I have written to Menno-Jan requesting him to consider<br>
publication on this important issue through any neutral academic publishing<br>
houses as publishing this through properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing<br>
company is against the spirit of openness in geo education and ICA-OSGeo MoU<br>
. I think it is important to have both properitery and open solutions but<br>
ICA as an organisation should be neutral . Hence very important not to<br>
promote Properitery vendor agenda esp in UN SDG work by having the<br>
properitery GIS vendor publishing this. As an ordinary ICA volunteer I am<br>
disappointed to see this. I am grateful that Menno-Jan has understood my<br>
concern and I hope this will be rectified asap.<br>
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I will keep you updated on the developments.<br>
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Best wishes,<br>
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Suchith<br>
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