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Dear Menno-Jan,<br>
<br>
Thank you for taking time to engage directly with the GeoForAll community. I greatly appreciate this.<br>
<br>
I personally emailed colleagues in GeoForAll community to send examples for the UN SDG posters and I had no idea that you were planning to put a book proposal with properitery GIS vendor ! I only realized this when I saw email in the ica-standards maillist
on 31/5/2017 and I was very disappointed. I immediately emailed you informing you about my concern as I have responsibility to GeoForAll community who all contributed to this in good faith. Please correct me if I am wrong but I have not seen any email or
discussions in the geoforall list or ica-opensource list on choosing the publisher for this.
<br>
<br>
This is a collaborative book effort specifically for UN SDG NOT a personal book project. If it is your own book project, it is fully upto you to decide where to publish. So please understand the importance of this. I have duty to inform this to all GeoForAll
colleagues who worked for this in good faith and it is important there is free and open discussions before finalizing any publisher. I would also like to request you to please consider discussing with the wider ICA community on which license will be used
for material in the UN SDG mapping book and If available under an open license it would be in line with UN views of sustainability [1] (Thanks to Cameron Shorter for sending me this links)<br>
<br>
I once again greatly appreciate your time and for understanding my concern. I am just an ordinary volunteer of ICA so please accept my apologies for any mistakes I made.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
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[1] "The United Nations views open-source technology as a critical enabler for implementation of the Sustainable Development Goals, offering the potential to facilitate global innovation and empower individuals and organizations, as well as the private and
public sectors." “United Nations Headquarters to Host World’s Largest Mission-Driven Open-Source Technology Conference, 8-17 July 2016”;
<a href="https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/pi2160.doc.htm" class="OWAAutoLink" id="LPlnk654122">
https://www.un.org/press/en/2016/pi2160.doc.htm</a> <br>
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From: m.j.kraak@utwente.nl <m.j.kraak@utwente.nl><br>
Sent: 02 June 2017 3:27 PM<br>
To: Anand Suchith; geoforall@lists.osgeo.org; sg@icaci.org; georg.gartner@tuwien.ac.at<br>
Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
<br>
Hi everyone,<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
First, it was not my intention to react in this setting, but I feel the need to put this ‘discussion’ in perspective.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ICA stands for cartography, ALL cartography. Meaning that we respect both commercial and open cartography (not even sure if those should be seen as opposites - there is a whole range of cartography, but that is a different story).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
ICA supports the notion of open its widest sense (open data, open source software, and open education). That is why we participate in Geo4all. We do have a Commission dedicated to this topic and we very much appreciate its work, now and in the past when Suchith
was commission chair). But we also support other initiatives related to cartography.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
About our current SDG book project, this is in a preparatory proposal phase and discussed internally among ICA Commissions. Based on this internal discussion Suchith approached me and we had an email discusion in which I told him I understood his position,
but also explained that the ICA does not see things as black and white.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am disappointed that what was an active, private discussion was then placed into this Geo4all group discussion. I don’t think this is a productive way to engage. I look forward to discussing this further at the ICC meeting in Washington with anyone who is
interested to learn more about our intention with this book project.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Menno-Jan Kraak. President ICA<br>
_______________________________________________________<br>
<br>
Prof. dr. Menno-Jan Kraak<br>
<br>
University of Twente<br>
Department of Geoinformation Processing<br>
Faculty of Geoinformation Science and Earth Observation<br>
PO Box 217, 7500 AE Enschede - the Netherlands<br>
Hengelosestraat 99, 7514 AE Enschede - the Netherlands (visiting)<br>
+31534874463 / +31534874335 (fax)<br>
https://blog.utwente.nl/kraak/<br>
m.j.kraak@utwente.nl<mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl><br>
<br>
International Cartographic Association<br>
President<br>
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Op 2 jun. 2017, om 15:26 heeft Suchith Anand <Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk<mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk>> het volgende geschreven:<br>
<br>
Dear Anthony,<br>
<br>
Free and Open discussions are the way we work and we greatly welcome different ideas and perspectives. We value everyone's inputs and everyone are welcome to join and provide inputs. We won't be able to even have this open discussion in the properitery GIS
vendor mail lists. You won't be able to even send an email on GeoForAll to the properitery GIS vendor's education maillist! You are always welcome to share your ideas to geoforall community, GeoforAll advisory board, OSGeo Board and we will be happy to discuss
ideas.<br>
<br>
To be clear my specific query was on this particular issue where the voluntary contributions of all commissions (including commission on open source geospatial technologies that I am a member) for the UN SDG “Mapping” Goals are to be published as a book
. Having it sponsored and published by a properitery GIS vendor will mean they will have their own agenda promoted as the Mapping agenda for UN SDG. We have so many examples already where properitery GIS vendors have used sponsorship as backdoor to have their
agenda pushed. It is important we learn from experiences . We are a education and scientific community and it is important we work with all and listen to all perspectives but as this book is specifically related to UN SDG it should not be used for any sponsorship
activities from any vendors or pushing any specific vendor agendas.<br>
<br>
This book is done by volunteer efforts of members and should be published as an open book through the ICA website in creative commons licence. So I really don’t understand why this important collaborative work on UN SDG needs to be published specifically through
properitery GIS vendor publishing house who will have conflict of interest to open solutions and open principles. Open solutions and principles are also key part of achieving UN SDG 2030.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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From: Helena Mitasova <hmitaso@ncsu.edu<mailto:hmitaso@ncsu.edu>><br>
Sent: 02 June 2017 11:14 AM<br>
To: Anthony Robinson<br>
Cc: Anand Suchith; geoforall@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org>; Menno-Jan Kraak; sg@icaci.org<mailto:sg@icaci.org><br>
Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
<br>
Finally, I'll add that I think it is quite problematic that there appears to<br>
be no collaborative decision making process by which GeoForAll speaks out on<br>
issues like this one. If I'm wrong about that I'd be happy to be corrected.<br>
<br>
Anthony - this is just to clarify:<br>
we do have a collaborative decision making process to speak out -<br>
the issues can be presented to geoforall advisory board for discussion and potential geoforall official statement or if it is a broader issue OSGeo board can take it up as well. But anybody can initiate an open discussion and I think that is what Suchith is
doing - sharing his ideas and thoughts on his issue.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-Anthony<br>
<br>
Anthony C. Robinson, PhD<br>
Assistant Professor, Department of Geography<br>
Director for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton e-Education<br>
Institute<br>
Assistant Director, GeoVISTA Center<br>
The Pennsylvania State University<br>
sites.psu.edu/arobinson<http://sites.psu.edu/arobinson>/<http://sites.psu.edu/arobinson/><br>
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From: GeoForAll [mailto:geoforall-bounces@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:geoforall-bounces@lists.osgeo.org>] On Behalf Of<br>
Suchith Anand<br>
Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 9:39 AM<br>
To: geoforall@lists.osgeo.org<mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org><mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org>; m.j.kraak@utwente.nl<mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl><mailto:m.j.kraak@utwente.nl>; sg@icaci.org<mailto:sg@icaci.org><mailto:sg@icaci.org><br>
Subject: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
<br>
Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
As you are aware there is some excellent work done by our ICA colleagues by<br>
highlighting the value of cartography by “mapping” the UN sustainable<br>
development goals. Silvana and our colleagues have done excellent work<br>
highlighting the importance of openness in reducing inequalities.<br>
<br>
I believe this is a very important activity but recently I came to know<br>
that the book proposal that is planned to be developed from this is being<br>
planned to be published through a properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing<br>
house. Hence I have written to Menno-Jan requesting him to consider<br>
publication on this important issue through any neutral academic publishing<br>
houses as publishing this through properitery GIS vendor ‘s publishing<br>
company is against the spirit of openness in geo education and ICA-OSGeo MoU<br>
. I think it is important to have both properitery and open solutions but<br>
ICA as an organisation should be neutral . Hence very important not to<br>
promote Properitery vendor agenda esp in UN SDG work by having the<br>
properitery GIS vendor publishing this. As an ordinary ICA volunteer I am<br>
disappointed to see this. I am grateful that Menno-Jan has understood my<br>
concern and I hope this will be rectified asap.<br>
<br>
I will keep you updated on the developments.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
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