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<p>Responding off-list as I don't want to start a flame war, but you
are welcome to respond publicly if you wish.<br>
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<p>Silvana, you've provided wise words (even if in draft).</p>
<p>Menno-Jan, you possibly might not realise that suggesting use of
private conversations has a tendency to trigger flame-wars within
open source communities. It is counter to the transparency ethos
of most communities. You might want to read about these principles
in the following section of the book "Producing Open Source":</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#avoid-private-discussions">http://producingoss.com/en/producingoss.html#avoid-private-discussions</a><br>
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<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/6/17 12:42 am, Silvana Camboim
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Dear all:
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">As the current chair of ICA Commission on Open
Source Geotechnologies I thinks can help to make some points
clearer about this book.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Each commission was responsible for one goal.
Ours (Open Source Geotechnologies) was mapping inequality. The
content was created in collaboration with all Geo4All network
(Geo4All Cartographic Challenge). It was committed with our
open principles: as it detailed the activities of 4 labs
around the world. As this will be published by ESRI Press, and
the format will be discussed during ICC in Washington, but
until now there is no influence of the software vendor in the
content of the book. The original posters are available openly
since the UN exhibition last year.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The concern that the ESRI as editor Will have
some influence about the content is legitimate, but you can be
sure that I will careful during the process to guarantee that
our contributions will mirror the open source principles. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The discussion about open publishing is welcome,
but we know that we are still not in the point that this is</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">One idea is maybe to create an Open Tutorial or
webinar series on UN SDG goals, maybe with the UN working
group? That will complement the ICA iniative and could be a
great chance to further disseminate the potential of Open
Source and Open Education.</div>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Em 2 de jun de 2017 10:26, "Suchith
Anand" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>
escreveu:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear
Anthony,<br>
<br>
Free and Open discussions are the way we work and we greatly
welcome different ideas and perspectives. We value
everyone's inputs and everyone are welcome to join and
provide inputs. We won't be able to even have this open
discussion in the properitery GIS vendor mail lists. You
won't be able to even send an email on GeoForAll to the
properitery GIS vendor's education maillist! You are always
welcome to share your ideas to geoforall community,
GeoforAll advisory board, OSGeo Board and we will be happy
to discuss ideas.<br>
<br>
To be clear my specific query was on this particular issue
where the voluntary contributions of all commissions
(including commission on open source geospatial
technologies that I am a member) for the UN SDG “Mapping”
Goals are to be published as a book . Having it sponsored
and published by a properitery GIS vendor will mean they
will have their own agenda promoted as the Mapping agenda
for UN SDG. We have so many examples already where
properitery GIS vendors have used sponsorship as backdoor to
have their agenda pushed. It is important we learn from
experiences . We are a education and scientific community
and it is important we work with all and listen to all
perspectives but as this book is specifically related to UN
SDG it should not be used for any sponsorship activities
from any vendors or pushing any specific vendor agendas.<br>
<br>
This book is done by volunteer efforts of members and should
be published as an open book through the ICA website in
creative commons licence. So I really don’t understand why
this important collaborative work on UN SDG needs to be
published specifically through properitery GIS vendor
publishing house who will have conflict of interest to open
solutions and open principles. Open solutions and
principles are also key part of achieving UN SDG 2030.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Sent: 02 June 2017 11:14 AM<br>
To: Anthony Robinson<br>
Cc: Anand Suchith; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org">geoforall@lists.osgeo.org</a>;
Menno-Jan Kraak; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sg@icaci.org">sg@icaci.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
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Finally, I'll add that I think it is quite problematic
that there appears to<br>
be no collaborative decision making process by which
GeoForAll speaks out on<br>
issues like this one. If I'm wrong about that I'd be happy
to be corrected.<br>
<br>
Anthony - this is just to clarify:<br>
we do have a collaborative decision making process to
speak out -<br>
the issues can be presented to geoforall advisory board
for discussion and potential geoforall official statement
or if it is a broader issue OSGeo board can take it up as
well. But anybody can initiate an open discussion and I
think that is what Suchith is doing - sharing his ideas
and thoughts on his issue.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
-Anthony<br>
<br>
Anthony C. Robinson, PhD<br>
Assistant Professor, Department of Geography<br>
Director for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton
e-Education<br>
Institute<br>
Assistant Director, GeoVISTA Center<br>
The Pennsylvania State University<br>
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Subject: [Geo4All] UN SDG mapping book updates<br>
<br>
Dear colleagues,<br>
<br>
As you are aware there is some excellent work done by our
ICA colleagues by<br>
highlighting the value of cartography by “mapping” the UN
sustainable<br>
development goals. Silvana and our colleagues have done
excellent work<br>
highlighting the importance of openness in reducing
inequalities.<br>
<br>
I believe this is a very important activity but recently
I came to know<br>
that the book proposal that is planned to be developed
from this is being<br>
planned to be published through a properitery GIS vendor
‘s publishing<br>
house. Hence I have written to Menno-Jan requesting him to
consider<br>
publication on this important issue through any neutral
academic publishing<br>
houses as publishing this through properitery GIS vendor
‘s publishing<br>
company is against the spirit of openness in geo education
and ICA-OSGeo MoU<br>
. I think it is important to have both properitery and
open solutions but<br>
ICA as an organisation should be neutral . Hence very
important not to<br>
promote Properitery vendor agenda esp in UN SDG work by
having the<br>
properitery GIS vendor publishing this. As an ordinary ICA
volunteer I am<br>
disappointed to see this. I am grateful that Menno-Jan
has understood my<br>
concern and I hope this will be rectified asap.<br>
<br>
I will keep you updated on the developments.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Suchith<br>
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