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    <p>Good suggestions.</p>
    <p>I think there are some logical sections with well defined
      interfaces within the workshop, and you can switch components
      in/out at these points, or chunk into workshops.</p>
    <p>I'd say it could break into:</p>
    <p>* Data: Source and prepare data. Ideally just use preloaded
      sample dataset. (Note, changing example datasets will likely lead
      to many changes to the syntax of example commands)<br>
    </p>
    <p>* Datastore: Load data into a data store (such as a database)</p>
    <p>* Web Service: connect webservice to a datastore, and configure
      the data service (such as a WMS/WFS)</p>
    <p>* Client: Access data from the client and do something useful.
      There can be a Desktop version and browser version of this.<br>
    </p>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/6/18 8:31 am, S Kolo wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">Bob,</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Good point ! I don’t think it’s out the the realms
        of possibility. A project approach has some advantages,
        especially if there are some generic principals that can be used
        in various components. Graphically thinking - perhaps something
        like a decision tree with parallel branches representing the
        alternatives (as a start). Effectively the “custom” approach of
        cherry picking from parts of the stack is what we’ve been doing
        for years. Of course I am more au fait with particular
        components (we all have our favourites) but I have no problem
        slotting in other options. </div>
      <div dir="auto">I think we need to be a bit cautious however on
        how we approach and present it as a whole. The sheer number of
        potential combinations and permutations to arrive at a solution
        does make presenting it a bit more
        daunting/intricate/complicated and potentially confusing for the
        newer users. At the end of the day focusing on smaller
        digestible chunks and allowing users to go away with a feeling
        that they’ve actually learnt something they can apply is what I
        really want to endeavour to achieve. </div>
      <div dir="auto">In FOSS4G (and OSS in general) the problem isn’t
        whether something exists to deliver it (because we know
        something probably does), it’s about when, how and why do we
        make the decision to go for which bits of the OSS stack. What
        are the requirements, pitfalls, investments, returns etc Given
        the investment/return of some components (eg running a Spatial
        database) what is the tipping point when you actually should
        consider investing in them? The sorts of questions vary
        depending on the client - individuals, small business,
        researchers, state/local/fed Govt, as does the motivation.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">I’m not sure where this will lead, but I’m keen to
        hear what people think about what has been perhaps missing or
        not covered very well in terms of the tools and the whole stack
        in general ?</div>
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      <div dir="auto">Cheers,</div>
      <div dir="auto">Shaun</div>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 at 12:02 am, Basques, Bob
            (CI-StPaul) <<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us"
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            wrote:<br>
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              <div>I’ve been pondering how to do something similar to
                this but at a project level, and/or maybe as a custom
                stack.  The target would be in how to apply the software
                to work processes.  Is there some method that could be
                used here that would facilitate both the OSGeo-Live path
                as well as a custom stack path?  </div>
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              <div>bobb</div>
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                    <div>On Jun 25, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Charlie Schweik
                      <<a href="mailto:cschweik@pubpol.umass.edu"
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                      <div dir="ltr">Carmeron, Shawn:
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                        <div>Nice idea. In case this is of use, perhaps
                          you could do these in a set of modules (e.g.,
                          1 hour sessions) which could be done over our
                          GeoForAll webinar series. They could be
                          recorded and then placed on the cloud for
                          others to watch later.</div>
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                        <div>Just an idea...</div>
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                        <div>Cheers</div>
                        <div>Charlie</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:10 PM
                          Cameron Shorter <<a
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                          Hi folks,<br>
                          <br>
                          Shaun Kolomeitz and myself were recently
                          discussing the value that could <br>
                          be gained by setting up a "beginners OSGeo
                          full stack" workshop, which <br>
                          served multiple needs and communities.<br>
                          <br>
                          It would aim to help new users answer "when,
                          what and how should I use <br>
                          Open Source GIS".<br>
                          <br>
                          Initially we would target a workshop at
                          FOSS4G-Oceania [1] (in Melbourne <br>
                          Australia in November 2018)<br>
                          <br>
                          The aim would be to build upon OSGeo-Live [2],
                          with the intent that the <br>
                          training material would eventually become
                          distributed with OSGeo-Live. <br>
                          This brings the advantage that the training
                          course would be continually <br>
                          be getting updated with every software
                          distribution, and setup glitches <br>
                          would be significantly reduced because
                          everything would be pre-installed <br>
                          with OSGeo-Live.<br>
                          <br>
                          Ideally, we would be this course to be run on
                          the cloud. Again, the <br>
                          advantage here is that we would be taking
                          OSGeo-Live (along with OSGeo <br>
                          applications) into a cloud environment.<br>
                          <br>
                          In future versions, we would aim to team up
                          with geo4all, universities <br>
                          and educators, such that we can integrate
                          OSGeo-Live and courses, and <br>
                          help cross collaboration and maintenance
                          between projects, programmers <br>
                          and educators.<br>
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                          The first thing we want to do is work out if
                          anyone is doing something <br>
                          similar, or have material we can make use of,
                          or have good ideas that we <br>
                          should incorporate, or who would like to join
                          us.<br>
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                          Introducing Shaun:<br>
                          <br>
                          For those who don't know Shaun, he is someone
                          I've known for years. He <br>
                          has decades of experience with GIS, is an
                          advocate Open Source GIS, and <br>
                          is someone who has a track record of getting
                          things done.<br>
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                          [1] <a href="http://foss4g-oceania.org/"
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                            http://foss4g-oceania.org/</a><br>
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                          [2] <a href="http://live.osgeo.org/"
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">http://live.osgeo.org</a><br>
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                          Technology Demystifier<br>
                          Open Technologies and Geospatial Consultant<br>
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