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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Suchith,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>You are making many assumptions and strange connections in your message. Did you try reaching out to Menno-Jan directly, rather than via this mailing list? It’s strange to call people out via a mailing list and act as though they owe you a response. That’s not a particularly friendly way to start a conversation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I share Christian’s concern that you are appearing to conflate fake articles in predatory journals to the ICA’s interest in an SDG-related publication. Such things are happening across the scientific spectrum today and have nothing in particular to do with the ICA or its interest in creating an SDG publication. Virtually everyone involved in editing/reviewing a journal today is seeing stuff like that. It’s a problem for sure, but I don’t understand why you are aiming this issue at the ICA in particular.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>I am an ICA Commission chair and to my knowledge the SDG publication is no longer under consideration as an Esri Press item, so I recommend you relax a little on that front.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Re: sponsorship and the like, just as every other conference does, the ICA publishes its list of financial sponsors for the biannual conference. That’s the whole idea of sponsorship, after all – to gain visibility in association with an organization/meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>-Anthony<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Anthony C. Robinson, PhD<br>Assistant Professor, Department of Geography<br>Director for Online Geospatial Education, John A. Dutton e-Education Institute<br>Assistant Director, GeoVISTA Center<br>The Pennsylvania State University<br>sites.psu.edu/arobinson/</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> GeoForAll [mailto:geoforall-bounces@lists.osgeo.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Suchith Anand<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 16, 2018 6:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Christian Willmes <c.willmes@uni-koeln.de>; geoforall@lists.osgeo.org<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Geo4All] Open request for updates on SDG book<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=divtagdefaultwrapper><p><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Dear Christian,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>No, the SDG book is a different issue . I had requested many times to Menno-Jan to please have free and open discussions on this .But unfortunately my requests were not successful and I have not got any information even one year later.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>In spite of all concerns raised by volunteer colleagues, I really do not understand the motivations for publishing the SDG book only through vendor publication!</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>“Fake Science” , “Factory produced articles” etc are recent phenomena that the geo community needs to be aware of and take steps to prevent. I have requested the ICA colleague who emailed me for advice on 29th June 2018 to send an open letter to the community, so colleagues are aware of this. I really hope he will not bow to any pressures and do send an open letter with details to the wider community.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>In the email I received , it was just the overview that his journal are receiving lot of submissions from a country that are very similar -“ poorly written, poor map design – to the point that they seem written in a factory” . They were all using one proprietary GIS software and deal with some aspect of physical geography. He asked for my advice.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'> I am very grateful to the ICA colleague who emailed me and informed this issue. I don’t know the details of the papers but I am also interested to see the examples of atleast some of these papers (may be as editor of journal he can provide these by removing the author details ). I do hope he will send an open letter to the community with the summary of how many articles they are receiving which are problem. It will help us to get an idea of the scale of the problem.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>It is very sad to see this degrading of science happening. As Educators and Scientists , I believe we cannot sit silently. There will be lot of pressure from vested interests , but I am requesting all colleagues to not bow to any pressures. Thank you.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Best wishes,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal;min-height: 14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='font-stretch: normal'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Suchith</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> GeoForAll <<a href="mailto:geoforall-bounces@lists.osgeo.org">geoforall-bounces@lists.osgeo.org</a>> on behalf of Christian Willmes <<a href="mailto:c.willmes@uni-koeln.de">c.willmes@uni-koeln.de</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> 16 July 2018 09:54<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:geoforall@lists.osgeo.org">geoforall@lists.osgeo.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Geo4All] Open request for updates on SDG book</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dear Suchith,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>regarding this "Fake Science" thing. Is this in any way connected to the book initiative you addressed in the first two paragraphs?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Anyway, I would be quite interested in seeing such a "factory produced fake science" article? Can you maybe point to an example?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Thanks and best regards,<br>Christian<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Am 14.07.2018 um 16:13 schrieb Suchith Anand:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div id="x_divtagdefaultwrapper"><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Dear Menno-Jan,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>It is now over one year and I have not heard any updates on the SDG book [1] . As far as I am aware, there was no emails received in the GeoforAll lists on this till now. Please correct me if I am wrong.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>As you are aware, I have personally requested colleagues in the open source Geo community to support the ICA SDG book initiative and they have contributed to this book project in good faith, so I request you to kindly keep them informed. I thank you for your kind understanding.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>We are now seeing a very disturbing trend with some vendors even starting to trademark “ science” for marketing/sales of their products and “science” is being misused for vendor marketing/sales! . I have raised this issue through an open letter [2] . The good news is that now everyone knows it is just marketing/sales gimmicks of vendor . Science is not owned by any vendors.</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>But two weeks back, I received a email query from a respectable and senior ICA </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>colleague that made me very concerned. He is one of the editors of a GIS journal . They are receiving lot of submissions from a country that are very similar</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>-“ poorly written, poor map design – to the point that they seem written in a factory” . They were all using one proprietary GIS</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> software </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>and deal with some aspect of physical geography. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>He asked for my advice.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>I thanked him for sharing this information and though I do not know the background or details of the papers or authors, I am also very concerned to hear about this . It is really sad to see the state of affairs in GIS . I requested </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>him to take strong action against any “factory produced” science and reject them. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> I am concerned in </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>the rapid increase in “Fake Science” . I requested him to inform this to the wider community through an open letter .</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>But this is not the solution as if one journal rejects these “factory produced </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>science”, then these kind of papers will be submitted to other journals. I won’t be surprised if in future some vendors even start their own journals with their own editorial boards ! What will then happen to the credibility of peer review and scientific quality. </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>I think it is important that editors of all GIS journals and leadership of all GIS Professional bodies like ICA declare any conflict of interest with any vendors (funding/sponsorship/gifts received from any software vendors currently or in the past) to ensure transparency and good practices. </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>I am just a ICA volunteer . I am hoping that you will take principled leadership and action against “Fake Science” , “Factory produced science” and any unethical practices in GIS that is affecting Science and Education from any vendors (open or proprietary) . </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>I thank you for the work on SDG book and looking forward to hear updates. </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Best wishes,</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:black'>Suchith</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'>[1] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html" id=LPlnk357114><span style='color:#E4AF0A'>https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/geoforall/2017-June/003790.html</span></a> </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#E4AF0A'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#E4AF0A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#E4AF0A'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'>[2] </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#E4AF0A'><a href="https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good" id=LPlnk476442>https://www.rd-alliance.org/group/geospatial-ig/post/open-letter-importance-scientific-freedom-and-public-good</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p style='background:white;min-height:14px'><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica Neue",serif;color:#454545'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>This message and any attachment are intended solely for the addressee<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>and may contain confidential information. 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