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    James,<br>
    <br>
    I suspect this may be caused by a known bug in the Unary union.&nbsp;
    This was identified in this thread on the JTS list:<br>
    <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4C0FB4A5.2010304%40refractions.net&amp;forum_name=jts-topo-suite-user">http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4C0FB4A5.2010304%40refractions.net&amp;forum_name=jts-topo-suite-user</a><br>
    <br>
    I fixed this in JTS, in the soon-to-be-released ver 1.12.&nbsp; Perhaps
    this fix hasn't made it's way into GEOS and PostGIS yet.<br>
    <br>
    The thing to do is to get this fixed in GEOS, rolled into PostGIS,
    and then you can retest your union case.<br>
    <br>
    Martin<br>
    <br>
    On 1/11/2011 6:23 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:James.Sewell@lisasoft.com">James.Sewell@lisasoft.com</a> wrote:
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Sorry,
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        <p class="MsoNormal">NOTICE: TopologyException: found non-noded
          intersection between LINESTRING (143.861 -36.881, 143.861
          -36.881) and LINESTRING (143.861 -36.881, 143.861 -36.881) at
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                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:James.Sewell@lisasoft.com">James.Sewell@lisasoft.com</a> <br>
                <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:06 PM<br>
                <b>To:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:geos-devel@lists.osgeo.org">geos-devel@lists.osgeo.org</a>'<br>
                <b>Subject:</b> GEOS errors from PostGIS<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Hello All,<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I am currently creating an OSS Python app
          which uses PostGIS (and thus GEOS) to combines multiple layers
          and carries through attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">I am using a method derived from Paul
          Ramsey&#8217;s <a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="http://s3.opengeo.org/postgis-power.pdf">http://s3.opengeo.org/postgis-power.pdf</a>
          document. The steps I am taking are as follows:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family: Symbol;"><span style="">&middot;<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Take the left and right
          layers and split them into smaller segments<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family: Symbol;"><span style="">&middot;<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
              </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Iterate through the
          segments doing the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 72pt;
          text-indent: -18pt;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
            style="font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><span style="">o<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Use
          the following to dump each side to linework<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 72pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;">SELECT
          ST_Collect(a.the_geom) AS the_geom <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;FROM
          (SELECT <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(ST_Dump<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
          (ST_Exteriorring(<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
          (ST_Dumprings(<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
          (ST_Dump(the_geom)).geom)).geom))).geom AS the_geom<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 72pt;
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            style="font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><span style="">o<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Put
          two resulting multi-polygons into a table, make sure they are
          valid (and all encapsulated polys are valid), &nbsp;and union to
          remove overlap as follows<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;">SELECT
          ST_Union(ST_snaptogrid(the_geom,10E-10)) AS the_geom <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left: 72pt;
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            style="font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><span style="">o<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Build
          the polygons back up as follows<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 36pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;">SELECT
          a.the_geom AS the_geom, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;ST_pointonsurface(a.the_geom)
          AS point, <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0
          AS leftgid, 0 AS rightgid <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt; text-indent:
          36pt;">FROM (SELECT (ST_Dump(ST_polygonize(the_geom))).geom AS
          the_geom<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 72pt;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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            style="font-family: &quot;Courier New&quot;;"><span style="">o<span
                style="font: 7pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]-->Then
          use an overlay to map the attributes back through from the
          left and the right.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">The process works, however I am getting
          problems with GEOS Non Noded Intersection <span style="color:
            rgb(31, 73, 125);">(&#8220;GEOS union() threw an error!&#8221;) </span>crashes
          in some areas. These can often be fixed by rearranging the
          data (importing in a different order, snapping to a slightly
          different grid etc...). <o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">When a failure occurs I am given two
          linestrings and a point, however these usually bear no
          relationship to the lines in either the expected output, the
          left or the right side other than being in the same area.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">Unfortunately I can&#8217;t provide data at the
          moment as any attempt to reduce the size of the dataset seems
          to remove (or relocate) the problem. I will try and get
          permission to release some data from the customer, but this
          will take some time.<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">One thing to note is that the layers I am
          combining contain very complex and very similar linework. It
          would not be unexpected to get 10 sets of similar but not
          identical linework all running around an area. This is
          acceptable for the end product, but I am wondering if it is
          upsetting the Union somehow?<o:p></o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal">If anyone has any ideas they would be most
          appreciated.<o:p></o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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            style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
            &quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span
            style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
            &quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(153,
            153, 153);">James Sewell&nbsp;<br>
            Developer&nbsp;<br>
            LISAsoft&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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              font-family: &quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;
              color: rgb(153, 153, 153);">Ph:&nbsp;</span></b><span
            style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
            &quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(153,
            153, 153);">+61 3 8680 3250&nbsp;<b>Fax:&nbsp;</b>+61 3 8680 3299&nbsp;<br>
            Level 9, 601 Bourke St, Melbourne Vic 3000<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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            LISAsoft is part of the A2end Group of Companies<br>
          </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family:
            &quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color: rgb(79,
            129, 189);"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.ardec.com.au/"><span style="color:
                rgb(79, 129, 189); text-decoration: none;">http://www.ardec.com.au</span></a><br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/"><span
                style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189); text-decoration: none;">http://www.lisasoft.com</span></a><br>
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.terrapages.com/"><span
                style="color: rgb(79, 129, 189); text-decoration: none;">http://www.terrapages.com</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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