<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Markus Neteler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:neteler@osgeo.org" target="_blank">neteler@osgeo.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 8:16 PM, Moritz Lennert<br>
<<a href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>> wrote:<br>
> On 21/01/15 19:35, Markus Neteler wrote:<br>
</span><span class="">>> In my opinion we should not have the location selection dialog at all.<br>
>> Revolution!<br>
>><br>
>> We should start GRASS right away in latlong like most GIS in the world.<br>
>><br>
>> Then let the user open the dialog to change projection if desired from<br>
>> inside.<br>
>><br>
>> This would avoid a lot of questions right away.<br>
><br>
> Please don't do this !<br>
<br>
</span>OK, now being back from phone to a real keyboard, I can write a few more lines.<br>
<br>
I am thinking about this issue for seeral years meanwhile (hint: I<br>
started in 1993 to use the software, getting stuck at the text start<br>
screen not having a manual :-).<br>
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So my full suggestions are<br>
- beautify the actual screen (hence my recent suggestion which is<br>
lively discussed here),<br>
- optionally (!) allow to start GRASS without welcome/loc/mapset<br>
screen but to open it in LatLong as described above. Again, as an<br>
option. We could implement that in trunk and see how it goes. All the<br>
tools to select locations, projections and such are there.<br>
<span class=""><br></span></blockquote><div>I think that you have to go all the work anyway and the dummy location is there just to show that it is possible.<br><br></div><div>There are some potential problems, for example how it works now with the .bash_history file?<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span class="">
> I find the fact that GRASS does not provide a default<br>
> projection system, but forces the user to think about projection from the<br>
> start, one of its strengths, both for work and for teaching.<br>
<br>
</span>On of it strenghts, yes. But I have been teaching GRASS a lot to GIS<br>
professionals who got trained on different systems. And many asked<br>
"why this screen? why cannot you just start like the other GIS"? And I<br>
tend to agree (again: optionally). The point is that we, on the<br>
contrary to many other GIS, still have all the control mechanisms in<br>
place which avoid that the user mixes projections. So that's all fine.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>And what will you do after 'just starting'? Do you have your data as LL? Or will you use -o flag to ignore the projection check?<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Also in Portland at the FOSS4G conf (where I showcased GRASS GIS 7)<br>
people suggested to let 'em get into the system right away. They<br>
explained to me that a newcomer wants to see the menu to understand<br>
how powerful the system is. But they would get stuck at the welcome<br>
screen... Yes, and they don't want to think before they open the<br>
program but "just try", out of curiosity.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a good point. I can see that. However, manual is also useful for this. This is what I use. Works for command line programs too.<br><br></div><div>To satisfy everybody, I suggest to provide a buttons with something like "Take me to LL", "Take me to default location" and "Take me to XY". What do you think about that?<br><br>But the real improvement should be the messages which would guide you through the process.<br><br></div><div>Vaclav<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Perhaps we should move this discussion to a different thread and leave<br>
this to the splash/welcome screen modernization.<br>
<br>
Best<br>
<span class=""><font color="#888888">Markus<br>
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