<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Michael,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">we are all aware of this issue and I think that this should be part of the discussion </div><div class="">of how to make the GRASS startup more friendly for newcomers.</div><div class="">Here is a summary of some ideas from the recent discussion on the list and in our lab:</div><div class=""><a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup" class="">https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/wxGUIDevelopment/New_Startup</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">as you can see the proposals refer to a project (it was also called "project location"), </div><div class="">but as we discussed it this week in our lab it can get complicated. CRS may be confusing </div><div class="">to new users as well because there can be many different locations with the same CRS for</div><div class="">different projects.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Feel free to add summary of your ideas to the trac linked above,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Helena</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 1, 2018, at 6:51 PM, Michael Barton <<a href="mailto:Michael.Barton@asu.edu" class="">Michael.Barton@asu.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="WordSection1"><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">As one of the most venerable desktop GIS packages and perhaps THE most venerable still in existence, GRASS has some quirks that harken back to its origins long ago. Most are simply quirky. But the folder hierarchy
called a “location” is very confusing in today’s GIS world. Originally, it did primarily refer to maps referencing a geographic location in the world. Although that meaning still exists in the ‘default region’, GRASS locations primarily refer to a coordinate
reference system (CRS). In fact, while the CRS of a location cannot be changed (unless you manually alter some of the files in the directory, at the risk of making maps unuseable), the default region can be. So a location now refers to a fixed CRS and a changeable
geographic extent. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">Use of the anachronistic term “location” to refer to a CRS is a quirk that makes GRASS more confusing to initial users. I suggest we consider beginning to migrate the term “location” to “CRS”. The term “location”
does not occur in a large number of module interfaces: those (like g.mapset) for changing to a new working directory on the fly, vector and raster reprojection modules, and maybe a couple of others. It occurs in the GUI at startup, in the location wizard of
course, and in some tools for georeferencing. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">We could initially maintain backward compatibility and increase understandability by simply referring to “location” as something like “location/CRS” where ever it shows up in the GUI, but leave module arguments
alone. A next step would be to have modules that require “location=” as an argument accept either “location=” or “CRS=”. And maybe that is enough. We could keep “location” where it currently occurs in existing command modules and scripts as a legacy option.
Likewise, we could keep it in current code, only changing during code rewrites. Any new modules that need to refer to this file hierarchy would use “CRS”.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">Thoughts?<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class="">Michael<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">______________________________</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">C. Michael Barton </span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Head, Graduate Faculty in Complex Adaptive Systems Science</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Arizona State University</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">Tempe, AZ 85287-2402</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">USA</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">voice: 480-965-6262 (SHESC), 480-965-8130/</span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">727-9746 (CSDC)</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">fax: 480-965-7671(SHESC), 480-727-0709 (CSDC)</span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class="">www: <a href="http://csdc.asu.edu" class="">http://csdc.asu.edu</a>, <a href="http://shesc.asu.edu" class="">http://shesc.asu.edu</a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica;" class=""> <a href="http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton" class="">http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton</a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"><o:p class=""> </o:p></div>
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