From neteler at osgeo.org Fri May 18 02:51:45 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Fri May 18 02:52:16 2012 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] New GRASS GIS Community Sprint 2012 donation Message-ID: Dear Stefan, thank you very much for your generous donation of 500 Euro for the GRASS GIS Community sprint! I have added you to the list of sponsors: http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012#Thanks_to_our_sponsors Best regards, Markus Neteler -- GRASS GIS PSC Chair http://grass.osgeo.org http://gis.cri.fmach.it/neteler/ From eric.momsen at gmail.com Mon May 21 09:46:46 2012 From: eric.momsen at gmail.com (Eric Momsen) Date: Mon May 21 09:47:15 2012 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] Grass-addons access request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, Is the Addons SVN a good place to keep a work in progress, while it is being written during the Google Summer of Code? I could set up an outside repository if need be, but thought having it in a place where everyone already finds GRASS code could be easier. Markus Metz is my mentor for the project. I have read, and agree to abide by, the PSC2 document. My OSGeo/trac login is: momsen Thanks, Eric -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/grass-psc/attachments/20120521/6ebdb7c2/attachment.html From hamish_b at yahoo.com Tue May 22 06:16:02 2012 From: hamish_b at yahoo.com (Hamish) Date: Tue May 22 06:18:50 2012 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] Grass-addons access request Message-ID: <1337681762.14549.YahooMailClassic@web110008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi Eric, > Is the Addons SVN a good place to keep a work in progress, while it is > being written during the Google Summer of Code? sure, it's just the place for it. > I could set up an outside repository if need be, but thought having > it in a place where everyone already finds GRASS code could be easier. > Markus Metz is my mentor for the project. having it in our trac system means that when we later merge bits into the main tree all the change history and comments get preserved, plus it's a lot easier. > I have read, and agree to abide by, the PSC2 document. My OSGeo/trac > login is: momsen you're now activated. try making a new directory for yourself in the grass7/imagery/ area. (or raster/ if you & MarkusM think that's a better home of course) https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/browser/grass-addons/grass7/imagery I look forward to reading your weekly progress reports. welcome, Hamish (OSGeo GSoC co-admin) From neteler at osgeo.org Sun May 27 15:01:55 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 00:01:55 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management Message-ID: Dear PSC members, we discussed the GRASS PSC at the current GRASS GIS Community Sprint here in Prague (Helena, me, some community members) and decided that we need to moderize the PSC and the way of management while keeping the overhead low. For sure every year the PSC members are requested to confirm/decline to continue their work in the PSC. I (being the current PSC chair) would like to request you to suggest updates to the RFC1. In order to see the interest, please answer within five business days to this email. In case of no interest of continuation or no answer, the member will be replaced in order to refresh the GRASS PSC. In Prague it was discussed how to identify community members eligible for PSC membership. We came to the conclusion that such a person should have a demonstrated and substantial involvement in GRASS GIS. Please post your comments within five business days, i.e. end of the upcoming week. Thanks and greetings from a great Community Sprint, Markus PS: See http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012 PPS: Special thanks to Martin Landa for organizing it (again) From michael.barton at asu.edu Sun May 27 23:32:26 2012 From: michael.barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:32:26 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4696F245-B13D-424D-89F6-02A686672DF5@asu.edu> I am interested in continuing. Michael On May 28, 2012, at 12:01 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > Dear PSC members, > > we discussed the GRASS PSC at the current GRASS GIS Community Sprint here > in Prague (Helena, me, some community members) and decided that we need > to moderize the PSC and the way of management while keeping the overhead low. > > For sure every year the PSC members are requested to confirm/decline > to continue their > work in the PSC. > > I (being the current PSC chair) would like to request you to suggest > updates to the > RFC1. In order to see the interest, please answer within five business > days to this > email. > > In case of no interest of continuation or no answer, the member will > be replaced in order > to refresh the GRASS PSC. > > In Prague it was discussed how to identify community members eligible for > PSC membership. We came to the conclusion that such a person should have a > demonstrated and substantial involvement in GRASS GIS. > > Please post your comments within five business days, i.e. end of the upcoming > week. > > Thanks and greetings from a great Community Sprint, > Markus > > PS: See > http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/Talk:GRASS_Community_Sprint_Prague_2012 > > PPS: Special thanks to Martin Landa for organizing it (again) > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc _____________________ C. Michael Barton Visiting Scientist, Integrated Science Program National Center for Atmospheric Research & University Consortium for Atmospheric Research 303-497-2889 (voice) Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change Arizona State University www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu From paul-grass at stjohnspoint.co.uk Mon May 28 02:15:56 2012 From: paul-grass at stjohnspoint.co.uk (Paul Kelly) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 10:15:56 +0100 (BST) Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Markus, Great that we're talking about this - definitely something needs to be done. RFC 1 says in regard to the composition of the PSC: "Addition and removal of members from the committee, as well as selection of Chair is handled as a proposal to the committee as described above." I unfortunately haven't had the time to contribute to GRASS for a few years now, primarily because my work has taken me away from the field of GIS - so I would be happy to propose myself to be removed from the PSC at any time. It's very easy to let these things drift, so I think a specific date every year at which PSC members can confirm their intention to continue is a great idea. I'm not sure this really needs any changes to RFC 1 either - if desired, it could simply be an informal rule. If any PSC members aren't willing to continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal by the chair. I do think it's important to have a specific date every year that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and someone might be away on holiday for example. To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". Apart from that, great work. Best regards Paul From smitch at me.com Mon May 28 04:50:27 2012 From: smitch at me.com (Scott Mitchell) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:50:27 -0400 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2EF64EC6-E715-4125-9854-CE1865F71CC2@me.com> Paul's suggestions make sense to me, since they are low maintenance. I am interested in continuing. -------- Scott Mitchell (mobile) +1 613 882 3843 smitch at me.com On 2012-05-28, at 5:15, Paul Kelly wrote: > Hi Markus, > Great that we're talking about this - definitely something needs to be done. RFC 1 says in regard to the composition of the PSC: > > "Addition and removal of members from the committee, as well as selection of Chair is handled as a proposal to the committee as described above." > > I unfortunately haven't had the time to contribute to GRASS for a few years now, primarily because my work has taken me away from the field of GIS - so I would be happy to propose myself to be removed from the PSC at any time. It's very easy to let these things drift, so I think a specific date every year at which PSC members can confirm their intention to continue is a great idea. > > I'm not sure this really needs any changes to RFC 1 either - if desired, it could simply be an informal rule. If any PSC members aren't willing to continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal by the chair. I do think it's important to have a specific date every year that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and someone might be away on holiday for example. > > To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". > > Apart from that, great work. > > Best regards > > Paul > > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc From michael.barton at asu.edu Mon May 28 06:53:44 2012 From: michael.barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:53:44 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: <2EF64EC6-E715-4125-9854-CE1865F71CC2@me.com> References: <2EF64EC6-E715-4125-9854-CE1865F71CC2@me.com> Message-ID: <8380E5EF-84AE-4014-B54B-9E29F70DAF78@asu.edu> Same here. Michael On May 28, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Mitchell wrote: > Paul's suggestions make sense to me, since they are low > maintenance. > > I am interested in continuing. > > -------- > Scott Mitchell (mobile) > +1 613 882 3843 > smitch at me.com > > > On 2012-05-28, at 5:15, Paul Kelly wrote: > >> Hi Markus, >> Great that we're talking about this - definitely something needs to be done. RFC 1 says in regard to the composition of the PSC: >> >> "Addition and removal of members from the committee, as well as selection of Chair is handled as a proposal to the committee as described above." >> >> I unfortunately haven't had the time to contribute to GRASS for a few years now, primarily because my work has taken me away from the field of GIS - so I would be happy to propose myself to be removed from the PSC at any time. It's very easy to let these things drift, so I think a specific date every year at which PSC members can confirm their intention to continue is a great idea. >> >> I'm not sure this really needs any changes to RFC 1 either - if desired, it could simply be an informal rule. If any PSC members aren't willing to continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal by the chair. I do think it's important to have a specific date every year that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and someone might be away on holiday for example. >> >> To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". >> >> Apart from that, great work. >> >> Best regards >> >> Paul >> >> _______________________________________________ >> grass-psc mailing list >> grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc _____________________ C. Michael Barton Visiting Scientist, Integrated Science Program National Center for Atmospheric Research & University Consortium for Atmospheric Research 303-497-2889 (voice) Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change Arizona State University www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu From massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch Mon May 28 10:23:24 2012 From: massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch (Massimiliano Cannata) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:23:24 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm interested in continue. Even though I'm not a core developer I feel I have demonstrated a substantial involvement in GRASS GIS (I) giving courses for engineers, architects and professionals (II) conducting research in natural hazards using grass (see foss4g presentations from Bangkok to Denver). In any case if you think someone else is more appropriate I'm ready to make a step back. Maxi Il giorno 28/mag/2012 00:01, "Markus Neteler" ha scritto: > Dear PSC members, > > we discussed the GRASS PSC at the current GRASS GIS Community Sprint here > in Prague (Helena, me, some community members) and decided that we need > to moderize the PSC and the way of management while keeping the overhead > low. > > For sure every year the PSC members are requested to confirm/decline > to continue their > work in the PSC. > > I (being the current PSC chair) would like to request you to suggest > updates to the > RFC1. In order to see the interest, please answer within five business > days to this > email. > > In case of no interest of continuation or no answer, the member will > be replaced in order > to refresh the GRASS PSC. > > In Prague it was discussed how to identify community members eligible for > PSC membership. 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If any PSC members aren't willing to > continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal > by the chair. I do think it's important to have a specific date every year > that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and > someone might be away on holiday for example. > > To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would > suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". > > Apart from that, great work. > > Best regards > > Paul > I agree with Paul. Unfortunately I am in a similar situation, and cannot really dedicate enough time to GRASS to justify being on the PSC. I can see this situation changing in the near future, but I am sure that there are others out there who have more time to dedicate to the project. I'll continue to lurk on the mailing list and eventually get back into GRASS development. Thanks for all of the hard work! Dylan From neteler at osgeo.org Wed May 30 02:54:00 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:54:00 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul, all, On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Paul Kelly wrote: > Hi Markus, > Great that we're talking about this - definitely something needs to be done. Thanks for your immediate reply. > RFC 1 says in regard to the composition of the PSC: > > "Addition and removal of members from the committee, as well as selection of > Chair is handled as a proposal to the committee as described above." Yes, amusingly this "described above" points to nowhere. So one new phrase is needed closing the gap. > I unfortunately haven't had the time to contribute to GRASS for a few years > now, primarily because my work has taken me away from the field of GIS - so > I would be happy to propose myself to be removed from the PSC at any time. It does not mean to be kicked of this open list! General comment: I just want to be the PSC a bit more active, i.e. proposing new ideas, implementing more at outreach and so forth. May I felt a bit too much talking to myself here in the past :) > It's very easy to let these things drift, so I think a specific date every > year at which PSC members can confirm their intention to continue is a great > idea. Agreed. Like this we get a rhythm. > I'm not sure this really needs any changes to RFC 1 either - if desired, it > could simply be an informal rule. I believe that an addition is needed, especially to fix the currently broken reference to "above" in the text. > If any PSC members aren't willing to > continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal > by the chair. I dunno, this sounds much like "the chair kicks the sleepy members out". See below for a proposal. > I do think it's important to have a specific date every year > that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and > someone might be away on holiday for example. Sure - I put it this time to get something rolling :) > To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would > suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". I would propose to add something like this phrase to RFC1: "The PSC members are requested to annually confirm (via email to the PSC mailing list) the continuation of their active involvement in the PSC. This confirmation is expected by 1 June of each year. In case of lack of this confirmation the member will be replaced." [please put into real English, thanks] > Apart from that, great work. Great work of a great community! Best Markus From neteler at osgeo.org Wed May 30 02:58:37 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 11:58:37 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Massimiliano Cannata wrote: > I'm interested in continue. > Even though I'm not a core developer I feel I have demonstrated a > substantial involvement in GRASS GIS (I) giving courses for engineers, > architects and professionals (II) conducting research in natural hazards > using grass (see foss4g presentations from Bangkok to Denver). > In any case if you think someone else is more appropriate I'm ready to make > a step back. Please don't since all kinds of contributions are important, not only coding. Thanks also to Scott, Michael and Dylan for their replies. (Helena is on the road but was in Prague discussing this topic). Yann replied offlist to me that he is stepping back but also that he hopes to come back. Some members didn't answer yet: http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC Best Markus From wenzeslaus at gmail.com Wed May 30 05:28:30 2012 From: wenzeslaus at gmail.com (Vaclav Petras) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:28:30 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access Message-ID: Hello, my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. Thank you Vaclav Petras From neteler at osgeo.org Wed May 30 05:36:52 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:36:52 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear PSC members, On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Vaclav Petras wrote: > Hello, > > my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to > the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start > working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and > Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. I know Vaclav Petras from two code sprints, he's doing excellent work for GRASS already. So far his changes have been committed by Anna Kratochv?lov? who has write access. We state in our procedure that: "After a period of evaluation, SVN write access may be granted and is set up in the OSGeo authentication system." I motion to grant write access already now since Vaclav has a notable record of contributions in the core GRASS system. If there are no objections in the next days, I'll set up his account to the main GRASS SVN repository. Best Markus From landa.martin at gmail.com Wed May 30 06:44:20 2012 From: landa.martin at gmail.com (Martin Landa) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 15:44:20 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all, 2012/5/30 Vaclav Petras : > my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to > the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start > working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and > Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. I know Vaclav very well, he is studying at the CTU in Prague. He is doing excellent work. I am fully supporting his request for the write access to the main GRASS SVN repository. As being not a member of GRASS PSC, it's just my personal opinion. Martin -- Martin Landa * http://geo.fsv.cvut.cz/~landa From a.ghisla at gmail.com Wed May 30 09:42:01 2012 From: a.ghisla at gmail.com (Anne Ghisla) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 18:42:01 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120530184201.2b89e349@galadriel.localdomain> On Wed, 30 May 2012 15:44:20 +0200 Martin Landa wrote: > Hi all, > > 2012/5/30 Vaclav Petras : > > my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to > > the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start > > working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and > > Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. > > I know Vaclav very well, he is studying at the CTU in Prague. He is > doing excellent work. I am fully supporting his request for the write > access to the main GRASS SVN repository. As being not a member of > GRASS PSC, it's just my personal opinion. I join Martin in supporting Vaclav request. At the Community Sprint in Prague, I have been impressed by how quickly he fixes issues with high quality code. I'm looking forward to see his valuable contributions in main GRASS source code. Best, Anne -- http://gis.cri.fmach.it/ghisla/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: not available URL: From hmitaso at ncsu.edu Wed May 30 10:35:58 2012 From: hmitaso at ncsu.edu (Helena Mitasova) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 19:35:58 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I support granting Vaclav access to the main GRASS-SVN repository, Helena On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Markus Neteler wrote: > Dear PSC members, > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Vaclav Petras wrote: >> Hello, >> >> my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to >> the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start >> working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and >> Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. > > I know Vaclav Petras from two code sprints, he's doing excellent work > for GRASS already. So far his changes have been committed by > Anna Kratochv?lov? who has write access. > > We state in our procedure that: > "After a period of evaluation, SVN write access may be granted and > is set up in the OSGeo authentication system." > > I motion to grant write access already now since Vaclav has > a notable record of contributions in the core GRASS system. > > If there are no objections in the next days, I'll set up his account to > the main GRASS SVN repository. > > Best > Markus > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc -- Helena Mitasova Associate Professor Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences North Carolina State University 1125 Jordan Hall NCSU Box 8208 Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/ email: hmitaso at ncsu.edu ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail) fax 919 515-7802 From massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch Wed May 30 11:29:14 2012 From: massimiliano.cannata at supsi.ch (Massimiliano Cannata) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:29:14 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Due to your support +1 for svn write access to Vaclac. Maxi Il giorno 30/mag/2012 14:36, "Markus Neteler" ha scritto: > Dear PSC members, > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Vaclav Petras > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > my name is Vaclav Petras and I'm asking you for the write access to > > the main GRASS-SVN repository. I worked on wxIClass and now I start > > working at wxGUI part of d.mon. I'm in touch with Martin Landa and > > Markus Neteler. I read RFC 2: Legal aspects of code contributions. > > I know Vaclav Petras from two code sprints, he's doing excellent work > for GRASS already. 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URL: From hmitaso at ncsu.edu Wed May 30 13:11:29 2012 From: hmitaso at ncsu.edu (Helena Mitasova) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:11:29 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I agree with Markus that PSC should have members involved in all kinds of contributions and who have enough time to keep up with the new developments and discussions about important issues. I am still on the road (currently in Bratislava) and I should be back to work in mid June. I would like to confirm my interest to continue as member of PSC. Helena On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Massimiliano Cannata > wrote: >> I'm interested in continue. >> Even though I'm not a core developer I feel I have demonstrated a >> substantial involvement in GRASS GIS (I) giving courses for engineers, >> architects and professionals (II) conducting research in natural hazards >> using grass (see foss4g presentations from Bangkok to Denver). >> In any case if you think someone else is more appropriate I'm ready to make >> a step back. > > Please don't since all kinds of contributions are important, not only coding. > > Thanks also to Scott, Michael and Dylan for their replies. > (Helena is on the road but was in Prague discussing this topic). > Yann replied offlist to me that he is stepping back but also that he > hopes to come back. > > Some members didn't answer yet: > http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC > > Best > Markus > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc -- Helena Mitasova Associate Professor Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences North Carolina State University 1125 Jordan Hall NCSU Box 8208 Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/ email: hmitaso at ncsu.edu ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail) fax 919 515-7802 From Michael.Barton at asu.edu Wed May 30 13:30:28 2012 From: Michael.Barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 20:30:28 +0000 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <18BAF5E8-AFA2-4C9D-B5F9-608403983B7D@asu.edu> I also agree. All of us have other lives and cannot contribute full time to GRASS. And our availability varies a lot over time. But it is the diversity of expertise and activities that makes this community successful. Michael Barton School of Human Evolution &Social Change Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Arizona State University ...Sent from my iPad On May 30, 2012, at 10:11 PM, "Helena Mitasova" wrote: > I agree with Markus that PSC should have members involved in all kinds > of contributions > and who have enough time to keep up with the new developments and discussions > about important issues. > > I am still on the road (currently in Bratislava) and I should be back > to work in mid June. > > I would like to confirm my interest to continue as member of PSC. > > Helena > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: >> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Massimiliano Cannata >> wrote: >>> I'm interested in continue. >>> Even though I'm not a core developer I feel I have demonstrated a >>> substantial involvement in GRASS GIS (I) giving courses for engineers, >>> architects and professionals (II) conducting research in natural hazards >>> using grass (see foss4g presentations from Bangkok to Denver). >>> In any case if you think someone else is more appropriate I'm ready to make >>> a step back. >> >> Please don't since all kinds of contributions are important, not only coding. >> >> Thanks also to Scott, Michael and Dylan for their replies. >> (Helena is on the road but was in Prague discussing this topic). >> Yann replied offlist to me that he is stepping back but also that he >> hopes to come back. >> >> Some members didn't answer yet: >> http://grass.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC >> >> Best >> Markus >> _______________________________________________ >> grass-psc mailing list >> grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org >> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc > > > > -- > Helena Mitasova > Associate Professor > Department of Marine, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences > North Carolina State University > 1125 Jordan Hall > NCSU Box 8208 > Raleigh, NC 27695-8208 > http://skagit.meas.ncsu.edu/~helena/ > > email: hmitaso at ncsu.edu > ph: 919-513-1327 (no voicemail) > fax 919 515-7802 > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc From neteler at osgeo.org Wed May 30 13:35:17 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:35:17 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: <18BAF5E8-AFA2-4C9D-B5F9-608403983B7D@asu.edu> References: <18BAF5E8-AFA2-4C9D-B5F9-608403983B7D@asu.edu> Message-ID: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Michael Barton wrote: > I also agree. All of us have other lives and cannot contribute full time to GRASS. > And our availability varies a lot over time. Sure, but there is still much space between essentially doing nothing and doing something... :) > But it is the diversity of expertise and activities that makes this community successful. I fully agree. Markus From michael.barton at asu.edu Wed May 30 13:59:04 2012 From: michael.barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 22:59:04 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A3B7266-D678-4FB8-A27D-8702B136E69C@asu.edu> This all sounds reasonable to me. Here is some editing of the clause you proposed. I gave a two week grace period, but you can eliminate it or extend it as seems best. "PSC members are requested to confirm annually (via email to the PSC mailing list) their interest in continuing active involvement in the PSC. This confirmation of continuation of PSC membership should be sent to the Chair of the PSC by 1 June of each year. If a PSC member does not confirm his/her desire to continue on the PSC within two weeks of 1 June, that member will be replaced." Michael On May 30, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Markus Neteler wrote: > Hi Paul, all, > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Paul Kelly > wrote: >> Hi Markus, >> Great that we're talking about this - definitely something needs to be done. > > Thanks for your immediate reply. > >> RFC 1 says in regard to the composition of the PSC: >> >> "Addition and removal of members from the committee, as well as selection of >> Chair is handled as a proposal to the committee as described above." > > Yes, amusingly this "described above" points to nowhere. So one new > phrase is needed closing the gap. > >> I unfortunately haven't had the time to contribute to GRASS for a few years >> now, primarily because my work has taken me away from the field of GIS - so >> I would be happy to propose myself to be removed from the PSC at any time. > > It does not mean to be kicked of this open list! > > General comment: > I just want to be the PSC a bit more active, i.e. proposing new ideas, > implementing more at outreach and so forth. May I felt a bit too much > talking to myself here in the past :) > >> It's very easy to let these things drift, so I think a specific date every >> year at which PSC members can confirm their intention to continue is a great >> idea. > > Agreed. Like this we get a rhythm. > >> I'm not sure this really needs any changes to RFC 1 either - if desired, it >> could simply be an informal rule. > > I believe that an addition is needed, especially to fix the currently broken > reference to "above" in the text. > >> If any PSC members aren't willing to >> continue, then their removal from the PSC can be put forward as a proposal >> by the chair. > > I dunno, this sounds much like "the chair kicks the sleepy members out". > See below for a proposal. > >> I do think it's important to have a specific date every year >> that everyone knows about though, as five working days is quite short and >> someone might be away on holiday for example. > > Sure - I put it this time to get something rolling :) > >> To make it convenient for the changes you're proposing right now, I would >> suggest 1 June could be the annual "renewal date". > > I would propose to add something like this phrase to RFC1: > > "The PSC members are requested to annually confirm (via email to the > PSC mailing list) the continuation of their active involvement in the PSC. > This confirmation is expected by 1 June of each year. In case of lack > of this confirmation the member will be replaced." > > [please put into real English, thanks] > >> Apart from that, great work. > > Great work of a great community! > > Best > Markus > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc _____________________ C. Michael Barton Visiting Scientist, Integrated Science Program National Center for Atmospheric Research & University Consortium for Atmospheric Research 303-497-2889 (voice) Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change Arizona State University www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu From Michael.Barton at asu.edu Wed May 30 14:05:39 2012 From: Michael.Barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:05:39 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: <18BAF5E8-AFA2-4C9D-B5F9-608403983B7D@asu.edu> Message-ID: <055265E7-98E6-4F1A-AD47-BEB5D5173DB4@asu.edu> On May 30, 2012, at 10:35 PM, Markus Neteler wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 10:30 PM, Michael Barton wrote: >> I also agree. All of us have other lives and cannot contribute full time to GRASS. >> And our availability varies a lot over time. > > Sure, but there is still much space between essentially doing nothing and doing > something... :) Indeed. Michael > >> But it is the diversity of expertise and activities that makes this community successful. > > I fully agree. > > Markus _____________________ C. Michael Barton Visiting Scientist, Integrated Science Program National Center for Atmospheric Research & University Consortium for Atmospheric Research 303-497-2889 (voice) Director, Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Professor of Anthropology, School of Human Evolution & Social Change Arizona State University www: http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton, http://csdc.asu.edu From hamish_b at yahoo.com Thu May 31 02:51:18 2012 From: hamish_b at yahoo.com (Hamish) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 02:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1338457878.71397.YahooMailClassic@web110008.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi all, just a short note to ensure my ongoing interest in this conversation and continued interest in serving on the PSC as I haven't said much yet. I'd prepared a longer email earlier, but some quick points to make for now: Markus, were you thinking of RFC4 as a patch or a replacement for RFC1? Anyways it is good to breath new life in every now and then, but we must also be deliberate and follow the RFCs already passed. Also I think it's incredibly valuable to keep still interested but no longer actively contributing devs around as they provide a strong sense of perspective sometimes not able to be seen by those actively "amongst the trees". It helps stop a lot of reinventing the wheel as well. :-) So I hope they stick around, the guidance and experience of elders is near impossible to replace. As for non-communicative (in years) formerly active contributers, what else can we do but wish them the best and nominate some new blood to replace them? Any move to do that though has to come through a formal proposal and vote by the PSC though. As others have mentioned, many of us travel into the field for many weeks at a time, far from internet access, and so short-term automatic timeouts are problematic. We should revisit the proposed RFC3 to tighten up voting procedures if there is concern of important decisions languishing. A week is perhaps too short a period, and a month too long to wait, so I'm happy with Michael's proposal of two weeks before possible voting closes. For the role of the PSC, I see it as a bit of a mark of success that it has not been called up very much! It means that our dev team is self- regulating well and taking on the leadership role -- & this is a Very Good Thing. I have deep reservations about instituting a system where an elite cabal is seen to (even if it is just a mis-perception) be running the show, and new devs have little chance to contribute. And so I have been very happy to see GRASS lead by the developers not by PSC dictates, as we explicitly specified in RFC1: "For controversial or complicated changes consensus must be obtained on the developers' mailing list as far as reasonably practicable. It is recognised that the ultimate arbitration on technical issues should always lie with consensus on the developers' mailing list. Specifically, it is not the role of the PSC to impose technical solutions. Its role is in general limited to enforcing the quality control mechanisms outlined above." (i.e. maintaining and enforcing submitting guidelines and licensing rules, and granting write access) Open for minor tweaks, sure, but I don't think that RFC1 is excessively broken and that major edits to it are needed to revitalize the PSC. more thoughts later, best, Hamish From hamish_b at yahoo.com Thu May 31 03:10:55 2012 From: hamish_b at yahoo.com (Hamish) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 03:10:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1338459055.14079.YahooMailClassic@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Markus wrote: > I motion to grant write access already now since Vaclav has > a notable record of contributions in the core GRASS system. While I can't admit to knowing Vaclav's work well, based on the recommendations of the other dev's I'd be happy to give my support to it. > If there are no objections in the next days, I'll set up his > account to the main GRASS SVN repository. fwiw, even if non-controversial, granting access requires us to record a formal vote, RFC1: "The following issue(s) must have a vote called before a decision is reached: - Granting source code repository write access for new developers ... " cheers, Hamish From neteler at osgeo.org Thu May 31 04:59:51 2012 From: neteler at osgeo.org (Markus Neteler) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:59:51 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: <1338459055.14079.YahooMailClassic@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1338459055.14079.YahooMailClassic@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Hamish wrote: > Markus wrote: >> I motion to grant write access already now since Vaclav has ^^^^^^- call for vote ... > fwiw, even if non-controversial, granting access requires us to record > a formal vote, > > RFC1: > "The following issue(s) must have a vote called before a > decision is reached: > > - Granting source code repository write access for new developers > ... > " Sure. See my other mail for non-active members, so I believe that a quorum is sufficient. Markus From msieczka at sieczka.org Thu May 31 10:43:42 2012 From: msieczka at sieczka.org (Maciej Sieczka) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 19:43:42 +0200 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] PSC management In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC7ADCE.5010809@sieczka.org> W dniu 28.05.2012 00:01, Markus Neteler pisze: > Dear PSC members, Hi Markus, Guys, I'm stepping down. I don't have much to do with GIS at present and I don't contribute anything valuable to GRASS anymore. Maybe some other time again. Godspeed! Maciek -- Maciej Sieczka http://www.sieczka.org From Michael.Barton at asu.edu Thu May 31 13:18:31 2012 From: Michael.Barton at asu.edu (Michael Barton) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 20:18:31 +0000 Subject: [GRASS-PSC] GRASS-SVN access In-Reply-To: <1338459055.14079.YahooMailClassic@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: , <1338459055.14079.YahooMailClassic@web110004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I agree with Hamish about Vaclav. I'm happy to go along with other dev's recommendations here. I've been away from my email off and on over the past several weeks. Michael Barton School of Human Evolution &Social Change Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity Arizona State University ...Sent from my iPad On May 31, 2012, at 12:11 PM, "Hamish" wrote: > Markus wrote: >> I motion to grant write access already now since Vaclav has >> a notable record of contributions in the core GRASS system. > > While I can't admit to knowing Vaclav's work well, based on the > recommendations of the other dev's I'd be happy to give my support > to it. > > >> If there are no objections in the next days, I'll set up his >> account to the main GRASS SVN repository. > > fwiw, even if non-controversial, granting access requires us to record > a formal vote, > > RFC1: > "The following issue(s) must have a vote called before a > decision is reached: > > - Granting source code repository write access for new developers > ... > " > > > cheers, > Hamish > _______________________________________________ > grass-psc mailing list > grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org > http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc