[GRASS-PSC] Fwd: [GSoC 2021 - Urgent] Feedback Required Regarding Disbursal of GSoC Org Payments/Mentor Stipend to the Mentors
Veronica Andreo
veroandreo at gmail.com
Fri Apr 30 05:18:13 PDT 2021
Hi everyone,
I also like Helena's suggestion. The money should go to main mentors, they
invest a lot of time. Then, they can decide what to use that money for,
i.e., collaborative development activities, incentive or further
participation of the students after GSoC as Stefan suggested, leave the
money in GRASS GIS bucket or keep the money for themselves.
Cheers,
Vero
El vie, 30 abr 2021 a las 9:13, Stefan Blumentrath (<
Stefan.Blumentrath at nina.no>) escribió:
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Having signed up as co-/backup mentor too, I very much support Helenas
> suggestion:
>
> “As a backup mentor I would vote for all funds going to the main mentor
> or to cover some collaborative development activity (in the past it would
> have been e.g. travel to code sprint).”
>
>
>
> Getting paid for mentoring would probably cause more administrative
> overhead for me than justified…
>
>
>
> Also, using the funds as an incentive for further participation of the
> students after GSoC (e.g. travel funds to Community sprints once in person
> again) could be a nice way of using the money… Unless, main mentors have
> other ideas…
>
>
>
> Also, for those mentors who can accept payment, that is legit compensation
> to accept, in my view…
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
>
>
>
> *From:* grass-psc <grass-psc-bounces at lists.osgeo.org> *On Behalf Of *Helena
> Mitasova
> *Sent:* fredag 30. april 2021 03:00
> *To:* GRASS-PSC <grass-psc at lists.osgeo.org>
> *Cc:* Anna Petrasova <akratoc at ncsu.edu>; Vaclav Petras <vpetras at ncsu.edu>
> *Subject:* [GRASS-PSC] Fwd: [GSoC 2021 - Urgent] Feedback Required
> Regarding Disbursal of GSoC Org Payments/Mentor Stipend to the Mentors
>
>
>
> I am not sure whether other members of PSC or other GSoC mentors received
> this but here is a message from Rajat regarding the potential GSoC mentor
>
> compensation. Feel free to read the entire message below but here is the
> important part (note that I was at the board meeting
>
> where this was discussed and the feedback from the board was that osgeo
> will give the funds to the participating projects to use as they see fit.)
>
> So if you have ideas about what is the best procedure to receive and
> distribute the funds for the GRASS project
>
> please share them here on the PSC list and I will compile them and provide
> to Rajat (note that this would be $1200 if we get 3 slots)
>
>
>
> As a backup mentor I would vote for all funds going to the main mentor or
> to cover some collaborative development activity (in the past
>
> it would have been e.g. travel to code sprint).
>
>
>
> Helena
>
>
>
> Our decision as administrators is to reach out to the projects’ PSC for
> your comments about the following idea.
>
> - GSoC team will deposit $400 per accepted proposal
>
>
> - The project can claim the money and distribute it to the “main”
> mentors and “backup” mentors as they see fit.
>
>
> - The claim can be done after the GSoC team deposits the stipend to
> the OSGeo organization.
>
>
>
> This idea has not yet been approved by the board, we need your input to
> refine the idea and procedure. Based on your inputs, we will list the
> possible options and forward them to the OSGeo board for their comments.
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> *From: *Rajat Shinde <rajatshinde2303 at gmail.com>
>
> *Subject: [GSoC 2021 - Urgent] Feedback Required Regarding Disbursal of
> GSoC Org Payments/Mentor Stipend to the Mentors*
>
> *Date: *April 29, 2021 at 3:11:29 PM EDT
>
> *To: *Helena Mitasova <hmitaso at ncsu.edu>
>
> *Cc: *"gsoc-adminosgeo.org
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fgsoc-adminosgeo.org%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461815901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=K06GNJkv1h8qJDBVBlHy2E01375W94eB5Y%2Bp8sS%2FjsE%3D&reserved=0>"
> <gsoc-admin at osgeo.org>, Rahul Chauhan <rahulnitsxr at gmail.com>
>
>
>
> Dear Prof. Mitasova,
>
>
>
> Greetings!
>
> I am sending this email with regards to the Google Summer of Code (GSoC)
> 2021 stipend for mentors. This is OSGeo’s 15th year participating in the
> GSoC 2021 and GRASS GIS is one of the participating projects under the
> OSGeo umbrella organization. Also, this is our second year working as
> OSGeo-GSoC administrators team, and since last year it came to our
> attention that mentors were not getting remuneration for their work. We
> feel that this is very unfortunate and lacks incentive for the mentors to
> continue mentoring. Moreover, mentoring for GSoC is a full-time commitment
> and requires a lot of effort (which might vary depending on the coding and
> administration mentoring).
>
>
>
> In this regard, I had a meeting with the board on April 26 [1] and it was
> clear to me that the GSoC program does make a deposit to OSGeo. Citing
> below from the website for reference:
>
>
>
> [1]
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_2021-04-26#Google_Summer_of_Code_organization_payment_discussion
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FBoard_Meeting_2021-04-26%23Google_Summer_of_Code_organization_payment_discussion&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461815901%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=KDuDQ9TJdVFMDk81e%2FIVW%2FqlhtxQNGblpBFRkE3N6uc%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
> *“$400 per student developer for your organization (often called the
> mentor stipend) though the money does not generally go to the actual
> mentor. One payment is sent to the org, and if the org wishes to disburse
> the funds to their mentors they are welcome to do that on their own.”* [2]
>
>
>
> [2]
> https://developers.google.com/open-source/gsoc/help/org-payments#i_included_in_your_payment
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdevelopers.google.com%2Fopen-source%2Fgsoc%2Fhelp%2Forg-payments%23i_included_in_your_payment&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461825891%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=H3fsZEjd%2Bz75FEJd4RE4mHHer8tJJvYF0dKQTFqxyPk%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> During the meeting I mentioned the following facts:
>
> - Accepted proposals are required to have at least 2 mentors and one
> of them is the “main” mentor
>
>
> - It is strongly recommended to have 3 mentors
>
>
> - The additional mentors are “backup” mentors
>
>
> - A mentor can not mentor more than 2 proposals
>
>
> - A mentor can not be the “main” mentor of 2 or more proposals
>
>
> - Having mentioned that the number of projects participating in the
> OSGeo-GSoC program has been decreasing, as a comparison:
>
>
> - 20 proposals in 12 projects in 2016 (
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2016_Accepted
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2016_Accepted&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461825891%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kxd2K%2F5GG6InYBSuMztpq4hYXXIIvlYdRy%2F%2FBqpiMLY%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
>
> - 13 proposals in 8 projects in 2017 (
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2017_Accepted
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2017_Accepted&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461835891%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=IkUwPJleVoHzFwGvLiZyUe1DJdXGsWn5IyK1r6z4gwc%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
>
> - 10 proposals in 8 projects in 2018 (
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2018_Accepted
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2018_Accepted&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461835891%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=7jl8X9dBT9HamrTfbBqnyEV5dFoHVFRzFXrbVvkPZws%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
>
> - 7 proposals in 4 projects in 2019 (
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2019_Accepted&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461845881%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QSJyhY8AJd%2F4RalgqJGoKHwbz4wSi%2B5AR3wNV9zEH%2BM%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
>
> - 10 proposals in 6 projects in 2020 (
> https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2020_Accepted
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2020_Accepted&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461845881%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=LzilWZGRKcrzl0tuApS3TM0s9%2Bt%2B1meNCkyDq9PLnE8%3D&reserved=0>
> )
>
>
> - A successful ex GSoC student can act as a mentor in the project
> he/she participated in, but they are choosing other alternatives for summer
> that have a remuneration or incentive.
>
>
> - Projects organize the actual activities of the mentors as they see
> fit, some projects have specialized coding mentors who are normally project
> committers and the administrative mentors, that review the administrative
> part of the students.
>
>
>
> After talking with the board of directors, it was suggested to talk with
> the mentors or projects about the distribution of the stipend.
>
>
>
> Our decision as administrators is to reach out to the projects’ PSC for
> your comments about the following idea.
>
> - GSoC team will deposit $400 per accepted proposal
>
>
> - The project can claim the money and distribute it to the “main”
> mentors and “backup” mentors as they see fit.
>
>
> - The claim can be done after the GSoC team deposits the stipend to
> the OSGeo organization.
>
>
>
> This idea has not yet been approved by the board, we need your input to
> refine the idea and procedure. Based on your inputs, we will list the
> possible options and forward them to the OSGeo board for their comments.
>
>
>
> Please forward the email to the corresponding PSC or equivalent of your
> project, and give us an answer as soon as possible, so that we can forward
> it to the OSGeo board for approval. It would be amazing if we could get the
> responses before the GSoC slot submission deadline i.e. May 3rd, 2021.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Rajat Shinde and Rahul Chauhan
>
> OSGeo-GSoC Administration Team
>
> URL: https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code_2021_Administrative
> <https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwiki.osgeo.org%2Fwiki%2FGoogle_Summer_of_Code_2021_Administrative&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0534d71311d04f54c8a008d90b745002%7C6cef373021314901831055b3abf02c73%7C0%7C0%7C637553416461855873%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=qAmWxIIOMkyPz5hLkbiSYlqCgqqTUgqGu9fHOFNgTzo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> Helena Mitasova
>
> Professor at the Department of Marine,
>
> Earth, and Atmospheric Sciences
>
> Associate director and faculty fellow at the Center for Geospatial
> Analytics
>
> North Carolina State University
>
> Raleigh, NC 27695-8208
>
> hmitaso at ncsu.edu
>
>
>
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