<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for looking at all this, Moritz, and for the explanation, of course :) </div><div>Asking OSGeo to be fiscal host then seems the way to go</div><div><br></div><div>Vero<br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El mié, 17 mar 2021 a las 8:40, Moritz Lennert (<<a href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>>) escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Most foss4g projects are not legal entities, just a bunch of nice people <br>organizing to create beautiful software. As they are not legal entities <br>they cannot open a bank account, provide invoices, etc. This is what <br>fiscal <br>hosts are for. They are legal entities that allow groups to act like a <br>legal entity by allowing them to open accounts, etc. For more info: <br><a href="https://opencollective.com/become-a-host." target="_blank">https://opencollective.com/become-a-host.</a> <br><<a href="https://opencollective.com/become-a-host." target="_blank">https://opencollective.com/become-a-host.</a>> <br><br>OSGeo is already playing the role of fiscal host for GitHub sponsoring: <br><a href="https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo." target="_blank">https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo.</a> <<a href="https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo." target="_blank">https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo.</a>><br><br>For our current banking account our fiscal host is OSGeo.eu.<br><br>OSGeo could become a fiscal host at opencollective and so allow all OSGeo <br>projects to organize sponsoring through there. I'll ask the board.<br><br>Otherwise we could use another fiscal host. Fiscal hosts can ask for a fee for their services, usually around 5%, but they don't have to.<br><br>Opencollective uses stripe for credit card payments and also allows payment via PayPal. Those payments generally also come with a small fee, so a few percent of the money people give is lost on the way.<br><br>Moritz<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Am 16. März 2021 21:35:57 MEZ schrieb Michael Barton <<a href="mailto:Michael.Barton@asu.edu" target="_blank">Michael.Barton@asu.edu</a>>:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
I believe that a 'fiscal host' is a place where you can deposit money and keep it until needed or moved to a different local. It could be a bank account or other account.
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<div>On Mar 16, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Veronica Andreo <<a href="mailto:veroandreo@gmail.com" target="_blank">veroandreo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Thanks a lot for this initiative! Open collective seems like a pretty cool complement to other existing ways of collecting money.</div>
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<div>I was inspecting a bit which other organizations are there, and I found many well known companies and NGOs (See for example:
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https://opencollective.com/babel</a>). Furthermore, it seems it also allows for recurring contributions with different categories.</div>
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<div>I do not understand the fiscal host part, but as you say maybe OSGeo can become a fiscal host. Would you ask them too?
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Dear all,<br>
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FYI, for our accounting I have created a continuous ledger in <br>
<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!JYQHuCCW-r_wk5ZkIBeP49QU77SHS7hiB50Ncbo81102GGGA-Ce_UmCsrjjKdZlGqAq9PRw$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://nextcloud.osgeo.org/</a> -> GRASS-PCS -> Accounting
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it with all transactions in our PayPal and bank account since 2018. The <br>
idea is to use this as our central accounting tool and note all coming <br>
transactions in this ledger. This will allow to easily extract annual <br>
accounts and follow our current financial situation.<br>
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As already discussed we should also review the way we collect <br>
sponsorship money, for different reasons:<br>
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- The current PayPal Money pool runs over my personal account which is <br>
not very bus-factor resilient.<br>
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- Venka's experience has shown that from some countries it is not easy <br>
to contribute without a PayPal account, e.g. with a credit card.<br>
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OSGeo uses a Github sponsorship system which we should advertise as <br>
people can dedicate their contribution to a specific project. However, <br>
AFAIU, the Github sponsorship system is limited to people with a Github <br>
account and only allows deciding on a continuous (monthly), not a <br>
one-shot donation.<br>
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In light of this, I would suggest the following for our sponsorship system:<br>
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- <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://opencollective.com/__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!JYQHuCCW-r_wk5ZkIBeP49QU77SHS7hiB50Ncbo81102GGGA-Ce_UmCsrjjKdZlGhkvh6nE$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://opencollective.com/</a> for flexible one-shot, credit-card based <br>
sponsorships, including a series of different options and advantages <br>
(ex: receipts) for sponsors. How we organize this exactly (via fiscal <br>
host) is still to be determined (maybe OSGeo can become a fiscal host <br>
for all OSGeo projects ?).<br>
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- <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo__;!!IKRxdwAv5BmarQ!JYQHuCCW-r_wk5ZkIBeP49QU77SHS7hiB50Ncbo81102GGGA-Ce_UmCsrjjKdZlGW7mvivA$" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">
https://github.com/sponsors/OSGeo</a> for recurring sponsorship.<br>
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- Our bank account for direct money transfer, mostly within Europe.<br>
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Does this sound reasonable for everyone ? If yes, I will look into the <br>
details of Open Collective and create our system.<br>
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Moritz<br>
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