<div dir="ltr"><div>Helena,</div><div><br></div><div>Agreed. That is what I was thinking about in the other email. The only problem I can see is will there be enough contributions when they are not guaranteed to be rewarded *after* all their work? Work done first, compete for a prize later vs. Compete for a grant and work done later. Still, I think the prize idea is definitely worth considering.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Best,<br></div><div>Huidae</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 10:09 AM Helena Mitasova <<a href="mailto:hmitaso@ncsu.edu">hmitaso@ncsu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Dear all - I don’t have time right now to write more but as I was reading the document and thinking about all the pitfalls of paying for work <br>
I was wondering whether we should follow an example from geoforall and do it as award / prize for the work done -<br>
e.g. Annual award for the best student contribution to GRASS (no invoices needed, but PSC will need to evaluate the contributions<br>
and let students know about the opportunity).<br>
<br>
Feel free to ignore this suggestion - it just came to mind as Geoforall is launching "Pitch your research competition, where students will have 5 minutes to talk about their project showcasing open source, open data or open standards.” with cash prizes from the OSGeo budget.<br>
<br>
Helena<br>
<br>
> On Nov 16, 2021, at 5:40 AM, Moritz Lennert <<a href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be" target="_blank">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Thanks, Vero, for your feedback (and Vaclav for the direct change) !<br>
> <br>
> Here are some comments/replies.<br>
> <br>
> Am 15.11.2021 21:35 schrieb Veronica Andreo:<br>
>> This is great Moritz! Thanks for taking the lead on this and drafting<br>
>> the call!<br>
>> Here are my comments/questions:<br>
>> - _"be eligible to work in the country in which they reside" --><br>
>> _maybe this is related to them having a tax number or bank account, no<br>
>> idea.<br>
> <br>
> I think it is more linked to the fact that GSoC pays for a student job, no ? Or is it also considered a grant ?<br>
> Maybe we can leave this out and only add it in the future if the issue arises. But IANAL.<br>
> <br>
>> Questions might be if the money goes directly from OSGeo to the<br>
>> student, won't OSGeo need an invoice? If we pay directly from our bank<br>
>> account, do we need it?<br>
> <br>
> If necessary we can provide a standard form for requesting the payment of the grant which function as invoice.<br>
> <br>
>> - The agreement of a GRASS GIS core developer to mentor the student's<br>
>> work --> Maybe no need to be core, perhaps no need to be dev at all if<br>
>> the student proposes to create educational material. In any case, some<br>
>> sort of mentor would be desired in my opinion.<br>
> <br>
> Agreed.<br>
> I changed to "an active member of the GRASS GIS community". Not sure how to formulate it differently to ensure inclusion of all categories.<br>
> <br>
>> - In the nature of the grant section, should we set a maximum<br>
>> duration, eg. 2 months or so?<br>
> <br>
> Done<br>
> <br>
>> - In the how to apply section: email with proof of eligibility should<br>
>> be sent to some of us privately I think for data privacy reasons (?).<br>
> <br>
> Yes, that's why I put XYZ as the address. Maybe we can create an @<a href="http://osgeo.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">osgeo.org</a> address for this ?<br>
> <br>
>> Would be nice to ask them to introduce themselves to the community<br>
>> too, no? Probably once accepted.<br>
> <br>
> Yes, but not sure this needs to be in the grant procedure description.<br>
> <br>
>> - Approval: 2 weeks sound better to me<br>
> <br>
> ok, done<br>
> <br>
>> - Final report: the report in the wiki seems fine to me, could also be<br>
>> the trac wiki where all the GSoC reports live too.<br>
> <br>
> I agree, but this raises the more fundamental question whether in the long run we want to continue with two wikis, especially with the trac wiki, knowing that we do not use trac for anything else anymore.<br>
> <br>
>> The final report<br>
>> could be sent to grass-dev and psc mailing lists.<br>
> <br>
> Added.<br>
> <br>
> Moritz<br>
> <br>
> <br>
>> El lun, 15 nov 2021 a las 13:07, Moritz Lennert<br>
>> (<<a href="mailto:mlennert@club.worldonline.be" target="_blank">mlennert@club.worldonline.be</a>>) escribió:<br>
>>> Dear all,<br>
>>> Following the discussions at today's PSC I've written a first draft<br>
>>> of a<br>
>>> call for student grants:<br>
>>> <a href="https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants</a> [1].<br>
>>> Several points still need clarification (see comments in<br>
>>> [brackets]).<br>
>>> Feel free to edit as you see necessary.<br>
>>> If we really want to go forward with this still before Christmas,<br>
>>> then<br>
>>> we need to have the final version ready by end of next week the<br>
>>> latest.<br>
>>> Enjoy your weekend !<br>
>>> Moritz<br>
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>> Links:<br>
>> ------<br>
>> [1] <a href="https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Student_Grants</a><br>
>> [2] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-psc</a><br>
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