<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Ahh, that rules out my second point as a factor, participation was indeed notably lower.<div><br id="lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 30 Oct 2024, at 11:18, Hernán De Angelis via grass-psc <grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div>
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Thanks for your e-mail.<br>
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You are correct that the nature of the 2020 was different than
this one and that might have prompted more participation.<br>
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Those numbers that you ask can be retrieved from the records still
in LimeSurvey:<br>
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- 245 registered voters (we had problems with duplicated names and
emails, so this number is not exact)<br>
- 98 voters left complete respones (10 out of 10)<br>
- 30 voted at the start with no need to be reminded<br>
- 51 voted after first reminder<br>
- 7 voted after 2nd reminder<br>
- 10 voted after 3rd reminder<br>
- 78 voters either did not vote or left incomplete responses,
resulting in 15 definite votes<br>
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As far as I understand, it is the OSGeo position that LimeSurvey
is going to be used long term. I have no problems with this.
Perhaps what is needed is if OSGeo could help with a good
introduction to LimeSurvey by some knowledgeable expert.<br>
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Hernán<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Den 2024-10-30 kl. 11:03, skrev Nicklas
Larsson via grass-psc:<br>
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Hernán,
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<div>I think you did an excellent job, thank you!</div>
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<div>There are some differences between this election and the 2020
election, that might have played a role in the seemingly low
participation. Firstly, at the 2020 election the whole board was
put out on nomination, with a wide range of long-time familiar
persons in the Community as nominees, whereas now “only” empty
seats were to be refilled (with perhaps partly less familiar
nominees for the wider Community). This could in part explain
some of the incomplete votes.</div>
<div>Secondly, I can’t remember, and the records [1] don't tell,
if there were any partial or incomplete votes in 2020. But if we
add the complete with the partial votes of this election we come
up with 82 voters, which is much closer to the 98 voter
participation in 2020. This indicates at least similar level of
intent to vote.</div>
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<div>For next time, maybe the use of LimeSurvey should be revised,
at least tested.</div>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Nicklas</div>
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<div>[1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2020">https://trac.osgeo.org/grass/wiki/PSC/Election2020</a></div>
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<div>On 28 Oct 2024, at 20:59, Chief Return Officer (CRO) -
GRASS GIS election 2024 via grass-psc
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org"><grass-psc@lists.osgeo.org></a> wrote:</div>
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<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I
do not understand that part either. Several other
elections in LimeSurvey seem to have that "feature",
with comparatively many incomplete responses. I had
explicitly blocked partial responses: voters had to
choose 4 candidates. Yet it happened. I have no
explanation for how. May be it has to do with the system
itself.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">But
it would be a mistake for us to focus on this aspect of
the issue, when the real problem seems to me why so few
people felt compelled to vote. Somehow the engagement
wasn't there as it was in 2020 (my impression).</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
<span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">I
sent two reminders in total via LimeSurvey: one on
Thursday and another on Sunday. Only 27 people voted
between the opening first reminder on Thursday. Between
then and Sunday, when I sent the second reminder, only
21 more had voted. After the second reminder and until
the closing only 11 more voted. On Friday I also sent a
message through the lists. Yet few actively voted. Why?
I do not know. I insisted enough I believe. Then there
is also a limit on how many reminders you can push via
email before wearing people's patience out.</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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2024-10-28 kl. 18:06, skrev Michael Barton:</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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this is a low number, it is better than it seemed from
the vote totals at 40%. Of the remaining 60%, I don't
quite understand how 23 incomplete ballots resulted in 3
votes but perhaps I misunderstood your point.<br>
Michael<br>
_____________________________<br>
C. Michael Barton<br>
Associate Director, School of Complex Adaptive
Systems (https://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://scas.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true">scas.asu.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://scas.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://scas.asu.edu/</a>>)<br>
Professor, School of Human Evolution & Social
Change (https://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://shesc.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true">shesc.asu.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://shesc.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://shesc.asu.edu</a>>)<br>
Director, Center for Social Dynamics &
Complexity (https://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://complexity.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true">complexity.asu.edu</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://complexity.asu.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://complexity.asu.edu</a>>)<br>
Arizona State University<br>
Tempe, AZ 85287-2701<br>
USA<br>
Executive Director, Open Modeling Foundation (https://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://openmodelingfoundation.github.io/" moz-do-not-send="true">openmodelingfoundation.github.io</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><https://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://openmodelingfoundation.github.io/" moz-do-not-send="true">openmodelingfoundation.github.io/</a>>)<br>
Director, Network for Computational Modeling in
Social & Ecological Sciences (<a href="https://comses.net/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://comses.net</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><<a href="https://comses.net/" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://comses.net</a>>)<br>
personal website:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><http://<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton" moz-do-not-send="true">www.public.asu.edu/~cmbarton</a>><br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Oct 28, 2024, at 7:35 AM,
Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2024
<<a href="mailto:variablestarlight@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">variablestarlight@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Michael<br>
<br>
See the summary in the elction Wiki. I see no anomaly,
but I share the impression that the participation was
lower this time than in 2020.<br>
<br>
* name and e-mail address for 153 eligible voters
were loaded<br>
* 5 e-mail addresses were invalid<br>
* 2 voters explicitly declined to participate<br>
* 59 registered voters submitted complete responses
(i.e. chose 4<br>
candidates out of 10)<br>
* 87 registered voters either did not participate or
submitted empty<br>
or partial responses<br>
o of these, 23 partial or incomplete votes were
registered,<br>
resulting in 3 definite votes for 3 different
candidates<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC_Election_2024#Details">https://grasswiki.osgeo.org/wiki/PSC_Election_2024#Details</a><br>
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Den 2024-10-28 kl. 15:29, skrev Michael Barton:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Thanks for all your work in
managing the PSC election Hernán.<br>
<br>
Can you tell me how many total people were eligible
to vote and how many of them voted? The totals
published seem like a very small number.<br>
<br>
Thanks<br>
<br>
Michael Barton<br>
School of Human Evolution &Social Change<br>
School of Complex Adaptive System Science<br>
Center for Social Dynamics & Complexity<br>
Arizona State University<br>
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...Sent from my iPad<br>
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Hernán De Angelis<br>
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Chief Return Officer (CRO)<br>
GRASS GIS election 2024<br>
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De Angelis</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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GIS election 2024</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Menlo-Regular; font-size: 11px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;">
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