[GRASS-user] Install Addon GRASS 7.0 on Mac
Johannes Radinger
JRadinger at gmx.at
Wed Mar 2 08:11:38 EST 2011
Hello,
first great thanks to you William! My GRASS 7.0 is no perfectly running
on my Mac 10.6.6.
Now I want to install the r.stream addon. I tried with
g.extension extension=r.stream svnurl=https://svn.osgeo.org/grass/grass-addons/grass7 prefix=$GRASS_ADDON_PATH
but I failed...
So what do I have to do? I can checkout/download the tree for r.streams via versions to any local folder. Should I then run the make command? what should that make command include? and where should I build, in r.stream or in the the subdirectory r.stream/r.stream.basins?
Is there any mac specific configuration?
I want to intall it globally for all users (for compiling/installation my admin account will be used)
In ~/Library/GRASS and Library/GRASS there are no subfolders at the moment e.g. a Modules-folder.
Thank you for you answers!
/johannes
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Datum: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:34:20 -0600
> Von: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
> An: "Johannes Radinger" <JRadinger at gmx.at>
> Betreff: Re: [GRASS-user] Warning to Mac users: TclTk 8.5.9 breaks compatibility for NVIZ
> I'm sure that your configuration error this time is because you need to
> compile both 32+64bit. It's possible that the /usr/local part was ignored
> and it configured from the system, then compiling and failing from ActiveTcl.
> (the system Tcl has 64bit but it doesn't work in GRASS)
>
> Restore my TclTk and add this to your configure:
>
> --with-macosx-archs="i386 x86_64"
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 2:39 AM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
>
> >
> > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >> Datum: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 15:13:40 -0600
> >> Von: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
> >> An: Johannes Radinger <JRadinger at gmx.at>
> >> Betreff: Re: [GRASS-user] Warning to Mac users: TclTk 8.5.9 breaks
> compatibility for NVIZ
> >
> >> Hmm, because a couple items, TclTk and wxPython, are not available for
> >> 64bit, you must configure for both 32bit and 64bit. The GRASS modules
> will
> >> still run 64bit, but TclTk and wxPython components will run 32bit only.
> >>
> >> See that GRASS Mac readme for info on compiling for multiple
> >> architectures.
> >
> >
> > I am not sure if it has something to do with configure for 32bit and
> 64bit as the configure command was working before installing your tcl/tk.
> >
> > My configure options are:
> > ./configure --with-freetype
> --with-freetype-includes="/Library/Frameworks/FreeType.framework/unix/include/freetype2
> /Library/Frameworks/FreeType.framework/unix/include"
> --with-freetype-libs=/Library/Frameworks/FreeType.framework/unix/lib
> --with-gdal=/Library/Frameworks/GDAL.framework/Programs/gdal-config
> --with-geos=/Library/Frameworks/GEOS.framework/Programs/geos-config --with-proj
> --with-proj-includes=/Library/Frameworks/PROJ.framework/unix/include --with-proj-libs=/Library/Frameworks/PROJ.framework/unix/lib
> --with-proj-share=/Library/Frameworks/PROJ.framework/Resources/proj
> --with-jpeg-includes=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/include
> --with-jpeg-libs=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/lib
> --with-png-includes=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/include
> --with-png-libs=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/lib
> --with-tiff-includes=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/include
> --with-tiff-libs=/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/lib --without-postgres
> --without-mysql --with-odbc --with-sqlite
> --with-sqlite-libs=/Library/Frameworks/SQLite3.framework/unix/lib
> --with-sqlite-includes=/Library/Frameworks/SQLite3.framework/unix/include
> --with-fftw-includes=/Library/Frameworks/FFTW3.framework/unix/include --with-fftw-libs=/Library/Frameworks/FFTW3.framework/unix/lib
> --with-cxx --with-tcltk-includes="/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Headers
> /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Headers
> /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/PrivateHeaders" --with-tcltk-libs=/usr/local/lib --with-x --without-motif
> --without-glw --with-opengl=aqua --without-readline --prefix=/Applications
> --enable-macosx-app
> --with-cairo-includes="/Library/Frameworks/cairo.framework/unix/include/cairo /Library/Frameworks/cairo.framework/unix/include"
> --with-cairo-libs=/Library/Frameworks/cairo.framework/unix/lib
> --with-cairo-ldflags=-lcairo --x-includes=/usr/X11R6/include --x-libraries=/usr/X11R6/lib
> >
> > A played a little bit around now and tried to build and install tcl
> myself with following configure options (--prefix=/usr/local --enable-aqua
> --enable-framework). I then tried also to built tk but I fail here...
> >
> > ...anyway, when I now run configure for grass it seems that there is now
> problem with tcl..now I get (only) the error about the tk-library. It
> really seems that your installer isn't working on my snowleopard.
> >
> > /johannes
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Feb 28, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> >>
> >>> Attached there is the config.log, I really don't know what it means...
> >>>
> >>> /johannes
> >>>
> >>> <config.log>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 28.02.2011 um 18:02 schrieb William Kyngesburye:
> >>>
> >>>> OK. Look in config.log for details why the configure checks failed.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:32 AM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>>>>> Datum: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 09:27:56 -0600
> >>>>>> Von: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
> >>>>>> An: Johannes Radinger <JRadinger at gmx.at>
> >>>>>> Betreff: Re: [GRASS-user] Warning to Mac users: TclTk 8.5.9 breaks
> >> compatibility for NVIZ
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> tclselect is a non-standard ActiveTcl thing, I think. That's
> >> probably not
> >>>>>> why it failed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Did you download my 8.5.8-2 installer? That has an important
> install
> >> step
> >>>>>> I missed the first time.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> yes I used the new 8.5.8-2 installer...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>>>>>>> Datum: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 08:31:51 -0600
> >>>>>>>> Von: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
> >>>>>>>> An: Johannes Radinger <JRadinger at gmx.at>
> >>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [GRASS-user] Warning to Mac users: TclTk 8.5.9
> breaks
> >>>>>> compatibility for NVIZ
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I shouldn't take 20m to prepare the installation, maybe there are
> >> some
> >>>>>>>> permissions problems? Try using Disk Utility to repair
> >> permissions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you are still getting the error, it looks like the installer
> >> didn't
> >>>>>>>> overwrite ActiveTcl, maybe something to do with that 20m
> preparing
> >>>>>> time. Try
> >>>>>>>> deleting these and reinstall mine (download again, I also added
> >> some
> >>>>>>>> missing install logic):
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework
> >>>>>>>> /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework
> >>>>>>>> /usr/local/bin/tclsh
> >>>>>>>> /usr/local/bin/tclsh8.5
> >>>>>>>> /usr/local/bin/wish
> >>>>>>>> /usr/local/bin/wish8.5
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I followed your instructions, and when I know run ./config
> >>>>>>> I get following error:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> checking whether to use Tcl/Tk... yes
> >>>>>>> checking for location of Tcl/Tk includes...
> >>>>>> /Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Headers
> >> /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Headers
> >>>>>> /Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/PrivateHeaders
> >>>>>>> checking for tcl.h... yes
> >>>>>>> checking for tk.h... yes
> >>>>>>> checking Tcl version... 8.5
> >>>>>>> checking Tk version... 8.5
> >>>>>>> checking for location of Tcl/Tk library... /usr/local/lib
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl... no
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl... no
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl8.5... no
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl8.5... no
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl85... no
> >>>>>>> checking for Tcl_Init in -ltcl85... no
> >>>>>>> configure: error: *** Unable to locate Tcl library.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I accidently deleted tclselect so probably that is the reason...I
> >> don't
> >>>>>> know were to get this file from...it seems that is not a part of
> the
> >>>>>> tcl-installer package.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> /johannes
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 4:38 AM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >>>>>>>>>> Datum: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 09:53:06 -0600
> >>>>>>>>>> Von: William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos at kyngchaos.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> An: Johannes Radinger <JRadinger at gmx.at>
> >>>>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [GRASS-user] Warning to Mac users: TclTk 8.5.9
> >> breaks
> >>>>>>>> compatibility for NVIZ
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Works here. Try this: after you run the installer, before
> >> clicking
> >>>>>>>>>> through the buttons, select Installer Log from the Window menu,
> >> then
> >>>>>>>> select Show
> >>>>>>>>>> All Logs from the popup in that window. Now click through to
> >> start
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> installation. Hopefully the last message in the log when it
> >> stalls
> >>>>>>>> will be
> >>>>>>>>>> useful.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh thank your for that info, I haven't noticed that function
> yet.
> >> It
> >>>>>>>> seems that I was just to impatient, it took around 20 min to
> >> prepare
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> installation (got stucked in the step where /usr is involved),
> >> anyway
> >>>>>> it says
> >>>>>>>> that it is installed successfully now...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ...but I still get the same error (even after a second
> >> installation of
> >>>>>>>> your TCL package, which was much faster):
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Errors in:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> /Users/admin/Downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/visualization/nviz
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> and in that directory:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> make -C srcgcc -g -O2
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>> -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64
> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Headers
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Headers
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/PrivateHeaders
> >>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tcl.framework/Headers
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Headers
> >>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/PrivateHeaders
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/UnixImageIO.framework/unix/include
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/GDAL.framework/Versions/1.8/Headers
> >>>>>>>> -I/Library/Frameworks/GEOS.framework/Versions/3/unix/include
> >>>>>> -DPACKAGE=\""grassmods"\"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
> -I/users/admin/downloads/grass-7.0.svn_src_snapshot_2011_02_26/dist.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/include
> >>>>>>>> -o OBJ.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/togl.o -c togl.cIn file included
> >> from
> >>>>>>>> togl.c:53:/Library/Frameworks/Tk.framework/Headers/tkMacOSX.h:31:
> >>>>>> error:
> >>>>>>>> expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before
> >>>>>> ‘TkRegion’togl.c: In
> >>>>>>>> function ‘SetMacBufRect’:
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:1088: error: ‘struct TkWindowPrivate’ has no member
> >> named
> >>>>>>>> ‘grafPtr’
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c: In function ‘Togl_CreateWindow’:
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2221: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different
> >> size
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2338: warning: ‘aglSetDrawable’ is deprecated
> (declared
> >> at
> >>>>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Headers/agl.h:313)
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2340: error: ‘struct TkWindowPrivate’ has no member
> >> named
> >>>>>>>> ‘grafPtr’
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c: In function ‘Togl_EventProc’:
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2594: warning: ‘AGLDrawable’ is deprecated
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2596: warning: ‘aglSetDrawable’ is deprecated
> (declared
> >> at
> >>>>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Headers/agl.h:313)
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:2610: warning: ‘aglSetDrawable’ is deprecated
> (declared
> >> at
> >>>>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Headers/agl.h:313)
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c: In function ‘Togl_LoadBitmapFont’:
> >>>>>>>>> togl.c:3143: warning: ‘aglUseFont’ is deprecated (declared
> at
> >>>>>>>> /System/Library/Frameworks/AGL.framework/Headers/agl.h:374)
> >>>>>>>>> make[1]: *** [OBJ.i386-apple-darwin10.6.0/togl.o] Error 1
> >>>>>>>>> make: *** [default] Error 2
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I am out of any ideas...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> /johannes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Feb 27, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Johannes Radinger wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Am 26.02.2011 um 18:44 schrieb William Kyngesburye:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> This really only applies to developers and users that compile
> >>>>>> GRASS.
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>> already bundle TclTk with my GRASS packages for those users
> that
> >> just
> >>>>>>>>>> download and intall the binaries.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Anyways, I added a TclTk 8.5.8 installer to my site for those
> >> that
> >>>>>>>> need
> >>>>>>>>>> it. Just a quick standard Aqua framework build, it'll
> overwrite
> >>>>>>>>>> ActiveTcl, and it takes care of the lib symlinks mentioned in
> the
> >>>>>> GRASS
> >>>>>>>> Mac readme.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I just tried your Tcl/Tk Installer, but it seems that it is
> >> somehow
> >>>>>>>>>> broken. I just get to the window "Preparing Installation" and
> >> there
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> stops
> >>>>>>>>>> and the installer is somehow frozen resp. doesn't continue to
> do
> >>>>>>>> anything...
> >>>>>>>>>>> I work on snow leopard.. maybe you already know the problem
> but
> >> I
> >>>>>> just
> >>>>>>>>>> wanted to let you know..
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /johannes
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 26, 2011, at 10:20 AM, William Kyngesburye wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't upgrade to TclTk 8.5.9, stick with 8.5.8. I realize
> >> it's
> >>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>> out since last September, but I never upgraded out of laziness
> >> and
> >>>>>>>> didn't
> >>>>>>>>>> notice.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> They switched to use the system Cocoa API from the old
> Carbon
> >> API
> >>>>>>>>>> (should have saved that for 8.6). Togl still has Carbon calls
> in
> >> it,
> >>>>>>>> and I
> >>>>>>>>>> don't think that'll change (it's not an easy fix, and GRASS
> still
> >>>>>> uses
> >>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>> older togl 1.7, and even 2.0 still uses Carbon). I'm too lazy
> to
> >>>>>>>> report a bug
> >>>>>>>>>> for TclTk on this - I don't use NVIZ and expect GRASS 7 (and
> >> maybe 6)
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> eventually have something working in Python anyways.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, ActiveState, that makes the ActiveTcl that is
> >>>>>>>>>> recommended for compilation and my binaries, only provides old
> >>>>>> versions
> >>>>>>>> for download
> >>>>>>>>>> for the "business" edition, and doesn't allow reditribution of
> >> their
> >>>>>>>>>> installers. I'll have to restore the TclTk compile
> instructions
> >> in
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> Mac
> >>>>>>>>>> readme in the GRASS source, and figure out something to make a
> >> TclTk
> >>>>>>>> 8.5.8
> >>>>>>>>>> available for existing GRASS packages.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Any user-compiled or other distribution of TclTk 8.5.8 Aqua
> >>>>>>>> frameworks
> >>>>>>>>>> should work, as it's all just standard options in the source.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Note: this only affects NVIZ. TclTk GUI is not affected.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "I ache, therefore I am. Or in my case - I am, therefore I
> >> ache."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> - Marvin
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> grass-user mailing list
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> grass-user at lists.osgeo.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/grass-user
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "The beast is actively interested only in now, and, as it is
> >> always
> >>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>> and always shall be, there is an eternity of time for the
> >>>>>>>> accomplishment
> >>>>>>>>>> of objects."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> - the wisdom of Tarzan
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> "History is an illusion caused by the passage of time, and time
> >> is an
> >>>>>>>>>> illusion caused by the passage of history."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit
> >>>>>>>>> gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Mon Dieu! but they are all alike. Cheating, murdering, lying,
> >>>>>> fighting,
> >>>>>>>> and all for things that the beasts of the jungle would not deign
> to
> >>>>>> possess
> >>>>>>>> - money to purchase the effeminate pleasures of weaklings. And
> yet
> >>>>>> withal
> >>>>>>>> bound down by silly customs that make them slaves to their
> unhappy
> >> lot
> >>>>>>>> while firm in the belief that they be the lords of creation
> >> enjoying
> >>>>>> the only
> >>>>>>>> real pleasures of existence....
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> - the wisdom of Tarzan
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Schon gehört? GMX hat einen genialen Phishing-Filter in die
> >>>>>>> Toolbar eingebaut! http://www.gmx.net/de/go/toolbar
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----
> >>>>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Mon Dieu! but they are all alike. Cheating, murdering, lying,
> >> fighting,
> >>>>>> and all for things that the beasts of the jungle would not deign to
> >> possess
> >>>>>> - money to purchase the effeminate pleasures of weaklings. And yet
> >> withal
> >>>>>> bound down by silly customs that make them slaves to their unhappy
> >> lot
> >>>>>> while firm in the belief that they be the lords of creation
> enjoying
> >> the only
> >>>>>> real pleasures of existence....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - the wisdom of Tarzan
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> GMX DSL Doppel-Flat ab 19,99 Euro/mtl.! Jetzt mit
> >>>>> gratis Handy-Flat! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl
> >>>>
> >>>> -----
> >>>> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >>>> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>>>
> >>>> "I ache, therefore I am. Or in my case - I am, therefore I ache."
> >>>>
> >>>> - Marvin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> >> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
> >>
> >> "The beast is actively interested only in now, and, as it is always now
> >> and always shall be, there is an eternity of time for the
> accomplishment of
> >> objects."
> >>
> >> - the wisdom of Tarzan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> > NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren und surfen!
> > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone
>
> -----
> William Kyngesburye <kyngchaos*at*kyngchaos*dot*com>
> http://www.kyngchaos.com/
>
> "History is an illusion caused by the passage of time, and time is an
> illusion caused by the passage of history."
>
> - Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
>
>
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