<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">...... very timely. Just spent the best part of two weeks struggling with this topic. Several variables involved. Intel, PPC, 6.2, 6.3cvs, Lorenzo or Kyng. Started out with Lorenzo on Intel using 6.3cvs -- as you say, too buggy for production work. On PPC sometimes 6.2 works better, sometimes 6.3cvs. Again, turns out to be too buggy. (as an aside I'm trying remember enough of the problems to put together a list for a future post). <DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Then, as a last resort I tried Kyng GRASS 6.3cvs (had problems trying to get his earlier binaries to run) on both Intel and PPC and once you get it set up, <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;">it works like a charm -- no bugs thus far</SPAN> (after 3 or 4 days work). I did find that the order of installation is important -- make sure you have the X11 windowing system installed first. It's not part of OSX but there is a copy on the OSX installation disc. Tricky to find but it's there. Then the frameworks (use the 'install them all' package) and finally GRASS 6.3cvs. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Having used Lorenzo's binaries for a while (circa 6.1), always found them reliable. But with the new GUI, Intel issues and the need for Rosetta, different windowing system -- too much seems to go wrong and it's incredibly time consuming trying to figure out what is causing a particular problem (including the initial presumption that it's an 'infrequent user - operator error'!). Kyng GRASS is compiled natively for the Intel chip and so cuts out the overhead and errors of Rosetta, and by sticking to the 'tried and true' X11 system cuts out the GUI errors. It's much snappier too, even though the GUI is not as 'Mac' as Lorenzo's. IMO, Kyng GRASS is the <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="text-decoration: underline;">only</SPAN> way to go for Mac users at the current time.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"><DIV><DIV>All that being said, thanks to both for working on making GRASS available to us unix-impaired OSX users -- it's a great service that you provide.<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hope that helps -- </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Stu</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 3, 2007, at 8:36 AM, Moritz Lennert wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Hello everyone,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">As we will finally switch our GIS teaching to GRASS/QGIS, I now need to help our professor to install these on her Mac OS X 10.4.10.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I decided to use 6.2.</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I started with William's port at <A href="http://www.kyngchaos.com/software/unixport/grass">http://www.kyngchaos.com/software/unixport/grass</A>, first installing all the frameworks, then grass. However, when I try to launch grass I get a message about there being a problem with the wish command. A 'which wish' in a terminal show /usr/bin/wish. Do I need to install another version of tcl/tk for GRASS ?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I also tried Lorenzo's <A href="http://wwwamb.bologna.enea.it/forgrass/">http://wwwamb.bologna.enea.it/forgrass/</A>. This runs, but several commands make the GUI crash (v.surf.rst, r.contours).</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">So, several questions: any recommendation about which OS X port to use ? What are the differences ?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">And any ideas what causes the troubles in each of the two I've tried ?</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Thanks,</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Moritz</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">_______________________________________________</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">grassuser mailing list</DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="mailto:grassuser@grass.itc.it">grassuser@grass.itc.it</A></DIV><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><A href="http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grassuser">http://grass.itc.it/mailman/listinfo/grassuser</A></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>