<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Hi Cameron,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for sharing your ideas about the development of overview pages for OGC Standards. I have made  a summary of what needs to be done here:</div><div><a href="https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/wiki/Overview">https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/wiki/Overview</a></div><div><br></div><div>You also made me realize better about the types of content that we can have. I've made a list of categories here:</div><div><a href="https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/wiki/Goal-and-Plan">https://github.com/opengeospatial/e-learning/wiki/Goal-and-Plan</a></div><div><br></div><div>I also think that concentrating on the overview pages will be a good starting point.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you.</div><div><br><div apple-content-edited="true">
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<br><div><div>On Mar 27, 2015, at 4:36 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
  
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    Hi Luis,<br>
    It is good to hear that OGC Standard Overviews from OSGeo-Live
    material is being considered as a starting point for OGC Standard
    documentation.<br>
    Also good to hear that training modules are being developed. I
    assume that these will be 2 different types of documentation,
    serving different purposes?<br>
    <br>
    Over the last few days I've been researching existing material
    describing OGC standards, with the aim of helping define a template
    for created documentation, and a process/pipeline for developing and
    publishing material.<br>
    <br>
    I've found that wikipedia has quite a bit of material which we could
    draw upon. Eg, there are descriptions of most of the OGC standards
    [1].<br>
    <br>
    Wikipedia also has an excellent collaborative development process,
    including a translation pipeline.<br>
    <br>
    Wikipedia has a concept of "Style Guidelines" which can be applied
    to different categories. As yet, a "Style Guideline" has not been
    set for OGC Standards, and as such, we could define one. (I can't
    find a decent style guide for ISO standards, which might be worth
    discussing with ISO).<br>
    <br>
    I'd suggest that:<br>
    * Wikipedia should be one of our target delivery formats for our "1
    page overview" documents.<br>
    * As such, we should adopt wikipedia writing conventions to make
    this simpler.<br>
    * Other delivery locations should be OGC web pages, and OSGeo-Live
    documentation pages.<br>
    * The OGC pages (and to a lesser extend OSGeoLive pages) need to be
    considered as an authoritative source, and as such should have a
    trusted OGC editorial review before publishing.<br>
    <br>
    I'm open to Luis' suggestion of developing overview pages in git,
    but suggest it might be better to develop in wikipedia as:<br>
    <br>
    0. Define a Wikipedia "Style Guideline" for OGC Standards.<br>
    <br>
    1. Collaboratively develop Overviews in Wikipedia<br>
    1.1 OGC provide Authoritative Review back into Wikipedia, then
    publish to OGC pages as authoritative source. (This might involve
    copying across into an OGC git repository)<br>
    1.2 OSGeo-Live copies these pages into OSGeo-Live docs<br>
    <br>
    2. Translations coordinated through Wikipedia<br>
    <br>
    I'll save my ideas about content of Overview docs for another email.<br>
    <br>
    [1] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Map_Service">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Map_Service</a><br>
    [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/03/2015 4:09 am, Luis Bermudez
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      Hi Cameron,
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      <div>You were missed in the telecon.</div>
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      <div>Angelos provided great information on the resources that
        exists in OSGeo-Live. I'm wondering how to better contribute and
        reuse what is at the OSGeo-Live.</div>
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      <div>For example, will this make sense:</div>
      <div>We fork some of the content from OSGeo-Live repository, make
        the changes/additions and then you pull from the OGC repository</div>
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      <div>Or?</div>
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              Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
              Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
              Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
              The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
              <br>
              Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
              Twitter: @berdez<br>
              Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a><br>
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          <div>On Mar 18, 2015, at 5:43 PM, Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Hi, I'm keen, but not
              keen enough to wake up at 2am/3am (for Sydney/Australia
              timezone).<br>
              <br>
              Happy to contribute by email before/afterwards.<br>
              <br>
              Alternatively, I can make this timeslot:<br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=179&p2=189&p3=224&p4=22&p5=240&p6=196&p7=215">http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?hour=19&min=30&sec=0&p1=179&p2=189&p3=224&p4=22&p5=240&p6=196&p7=215</a><br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 18/03/2015 12:40 am, Luis
                Bermudez wrote:<br>
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                <div>For those of you interested to discuss the next
                  steps about how to better develop and share E-Learning
                  resources for OGC standards, I have created a doodle
                  poll. Note that the times are in Eastern Time.</div>
                <div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://doodle.com/w5sr533xn95ryswu7c9s59mk/admin#table">http://doodle.com/w5sr533xn95ryswu7c9s59mk/admin#table</a></div>
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                <div>I will also invite folks from the OGC University
                  Domain Working group.</div>
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                <div>I will send the logistics of the meeting after we
                  have settle on the date and time.</div>
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                <div>Looking forward to a great discussion.</div>
                <div><br>
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                <div>Best Regards,</div>
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                        Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
                        Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
                        Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
                        The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
                        <br>
                        Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
                        Twitter: @berdez<br>
                        Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
                        <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a><br>
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                    <div>On Mar 17, 2015, at 3:07 AM, Suchith Anand <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk">Suchith.Anand@nottingham.ac.uk</a>>

                      wrote:</div>
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                    <blockquote type="cite">Hi Luis,<br>
                      <br>
                      That is excellent. Let us schedule a telecon to
                      discuss next steps. May i suggest that you send a
                      doodle poll with your convenient times to this
                      list and we can then find a best time suitable for
                      all.Thanks.<br>
                      <br>
                      Best wishes,<br>
                      <br>
                      Suchith<br>
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                      ________________________________________<br>
                      From: Luis Bermudez [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:lbermudez@opengeospatial.org">lbermudez@opengeospatial.org</a>]<br>
                      Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 10:32 PM<br>
                      To: Cameron Shorter; Suchith Anand<br>
                      Cc: Christopher Tucker; George Percivall; Carl
                      Reed; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org">ica-osgeo-labs@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: [Ica-osgeo-labs] Documenting OGC
                      standards and OGC standards training<br>
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                      Hi Suchith, Cameron and all,<br>
                      <br>
                      I'm very happy to see this dialog.<br>
                      <br>
                      Now that I have been officially appointed
                      (tasked), I want to leverage, contribute and help
                      move forward e-learning material related to OGC
                      standards.<br>
                      <br>
                      I'm wondering, is it worth to schedule a telecon
                      about the next steps?<br>
                      <br>
                      Best Regards.<br>
                      <br>
                      - Luis<br>
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                      Luis Bermudez, Ph.D.<br>
                      Executive Director Compliance and E-Learning<br>
                      Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC)<br>
                      The OGC: Making Location Count<br>
                      <br>
                      Skype: bermudez_luis<br>
                      Twitter: @berdez<br>
                      Tel: +1 301 760 7323<br>
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez">http://www.opengeospatial.org/ogc/organization/staff/lbermudez</a><br>
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                      On Mar 15, 2015, at 4:49 AM, Cameron Shorter <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a>
                      wrote:<br>
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                      <blockquote type="cite">Forwarding on Chris' email
                        (with permission), which bounced from this list.<br>
                        <br>
                        Thanks Chris for the offer of support from
                        yourself and others from the OGC. I think this
                        is another great opportunity for OSGeo and the
                        OGC to work together.<br>
                        It is also very valuable and motivating for us
                        OSGeo contributors to know that the OGC can help
                        deliver OSGeo concerns to the right people.<br>
                        <br>
                        Regards, Cameron<br>
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                        On 15/03/2015 8:06 am, Christopher Tucker wrote:<br>
                        <blockquote type="cite">Cameron,<br>
                          <br>
                          As an OGC Board member, I appreciate the
                          subject change.  If the GeoForAll community
                          wants any particular involvement from the OGC
                          on this or other matters, I am more than happy
                          to help facilitate the interaction with
                          appropriate OGC staff and membership.<br>
                          <br>
                          Also, coincidently, I happen to do a lot of
                          work with leading US government investors in
                          LiDAR technology, collection and processing -
                          all the way up to the White House Office of
                          Science and Technology Policy.  If their
                          attention is required, I am happy to
                          facilitate.<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks for all you guys are doing.<br>
                          <br>
                          Chris<br>
                          703-981-9373<br>
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                          <blockquote type="cite">On Mar 14, 2015, at
                            4:36 PM, Cameron Shorter <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"><cameron.shorter@gmail.com></a>
                            wrote:<br>
                            <br>
                            I'm bringing this email thread back onto the
                            public ica-osgeo-labs list (CC OGC people)
                            and changing title (with permission of
                            Suchith).<br>
                            Title was "RE: [Ica-osgeo-labs] The LAS
                            format, the ASPRS, and the ģLAZ cloneē by
                            ESRI" and a private conversation had
                            started.<br>
                            <br>
                            Hi Suchith,<br>
                            I like the idea of bringing OGC standards
                            into education, and would be keen to see
                            authoritative and consistent descriptions of
                            standards available. (We started doing this
                            a while ago on OSGeo Live [1], but these
                            descriptions are incomplete, out of date,
                            and the template needs improving).<br>
                            <br>
                            There was further discussion about
                            describing standards within the OGC
                            "Ideas4OGC" initiative [2] ~ October 2013,
                            leading to recognition of a need for
                            consistent descriptions of standards:
                            including a one pager description for
                            architects, and an implementation guide for
                            developers.<br>
                            <br>
                            There is a lot of work in developing such
                            documentation for all standards, but if we
                            create a template for what is required, we
                            can then spread the work across multiple
                            interested parties (as we have done with
                            OSGeo-Live documentation). I'd be happy to
                            help with creating such a template.<br>
                            <br>
                            [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/standards/standards.html">http://live.osgeo.org/en/standards/standards.html</a><br>
                            [2]
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_20:_Quality_versus_Quantity">http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_20:_Quality_versus_Quantity</a><br>
                            and<br>
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_28:_Active_Direction">http://external.opengeospatial.org/twiki_public/Ideas4OGC/InitialRecommendations#Topic_28:_Active_Direction</a><br>
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                            <blockquote type="cite">On 13/03/2015 8:30
                              pm, Suchith Anand wrote:<br>
                              Hi Cameron, All,<br>
                              <br>
                              I am not a standards expert but i am
                              determined that i am going to do my best
                              to improve the education aspects of Open
                              Standards in Geo Eduation curriculum
                              worldwide. This is long term action and we
                              need help from all interested to join
                              this.<br>
                              <br>
                              We have done this successfully in Open
                              Source GIS education in a very short time.
                              For example, our GeoAcademy colleagues
                              have not only established a very
                              successful MOOC program ( i understand
                              over 4000 students are enrolled for their
                              March 2015 cohort, so the scale of
                              expansion of this amazing) but more
                              importantly they made available  the
                              curriculum (lecture materials, tutorials
                              etc) available to all educators to share
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              <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 9009 5000,  W <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com/">www.lisasoft.com</a>,  F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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