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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Hi Jody, may i ask who first created these scenarios? It will be good if the original document (i understand from your previous mail to the list that you used google docs) is shared
and we all can update the diagrams and scenarios to make things bit more clearer. I do not understand details of scenario 1b for example.
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<div>I suggest that we do this before we ask AB members to vote. Thanks.</div>
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<div id="divRpF339705" style="direction: ltr; "><font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> m.j.kraak@utwente.nl [m.j.kraak@utwente.nl]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 26, 2015 11:47 PM<br>
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<div>I then suggest to make Wiki more clear so ICA can make a well informed final decision. For me the graph in option 2 was most clear.<br class="">
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">Recently there had been discussions on the future directions for Geo4All .There were different opinions and hence we arranged a meeting at Como to discuss this and find a way forward. Following lot
of discussions among our members in our mail lists etc and the meeting at Como[1] that was led by Charlie Schweik ,the consensus was that OSGeo Education and Curriculum Committee and GeoForAll are the same and it is now GeoForAll: OSGeo's Education and Curriculum
Effort as reflected in OSGeo website at <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.osgeo.org/education" class="" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/education</a> . Venka has also presented this outcomes at FOSS4G Seoul [2]. Geo4All will continue to be inclusive
and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles.</font></p>
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">Geo4All initiative was started with the key aim to build up OSGeo's education aims by collaborating with like minded organisations and it is one of the most successful initiatives that we have undertaken.
OSGeo Board has made separate MoUs with both ICA and ISPRS for expanding Geo4All and universities,SMEs, government organisations etc worldwide have trusted the MoUs that OSGeo provided and setup labs and joined the network , so it is important we provide strong
continuity and focus. MoUs have to be respected and the momentum created need to build upon with clear direction and focus. It is important that proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's
Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.</font></p>
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<p class=""><span class="" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255); color:rgb(37,37,37); line-height:14px"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">Geo4All had been working hard to expand OSGeo education activities globally .Members have been running
courses,training events,workshops using OSGeo software, MOOC programs (that benefitted thousands of students globally) etc have raised OSGeo education efforts globally. Geo4All members have been actively contributing to OSGeo Curriculum development effort
and will continue to expand this by having more course materials in various OSGeo software added to the OSGeo education repository for everyone to make use of for their teaching and education.</font></span></p>
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">We will welcome and include all partners that OSGeo Board have MOUs with for expanding this OSGeo' Geo4All education initiative and warmly welcome everyone who are following the principles. That way
the OSGeo Board will be able to keep expanding the initiative and to make MoUs with other organisations etc as we are doing now (ICA, ISPRS) and also in future .</font></p>
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<p class=""><span class="" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:12px">So steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.
This will also make sure the efforts put in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.</span></p>
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">There are some steps that are outlined below and looking through the options - Scenario 1 seems to be best option based on the Como discussions for ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's
Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with.</font></p>
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">In this case, the Geo4All Advisory Board would include representatives from our partners like ICA, ISPRS etc. Geo4All Advisory Board comprises of representatives from ICA, ISPRS, OSGeo and other organisations
that join in future. As a partner in the Geo4All initiative, a Project Steering Committee (PSC) comprising of VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) need to be constituted within the
OSGeo Foundation. The PSC could liaise with Geo4All Advisory Board to evolve way and means to achieve mutual goals and objectives. </font></p>
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">Charlie Schweik as VP OSGeo Foundation (Education and Curriculum Project) and other representatives (e.g Regional Chairs of Geo4All) please let us know if you are happy to being constituted within
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<p class=""><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">May i request all AB members and Regional Chairs to also send their suggestions on this, so we can move forward. </font><span class="" style="font-family:'Times New Roman'; font-size:12px">It is important
that proper structures are in place and steps need to be taken to ensure the smooth transition to GeoForAll as OSGeo's Education and keep collaborating with ICA, ISPRS and other organisations that OSGeo has MoU with. This will also make sure the efforts put
in by lot of volunteers for this is build upon for the future.</span><font size="3" face="Times New Roman" class="">Please send your inputs before 30th Nov 2015 .Thanks.</font></p>
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<p class="" style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light; font-size:15px">[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting" class="" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G_EU_Como_2015_Preconference_meeting</a></p>
<p class="" style="font-family:Noteworthy-Light; font-size:15px">[2] <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2" class="" target="_blank">http://www.slideshare.net/VenkateshRaghavan1/g4-a-newver2</a></p>
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<div class=""><i class="">Revised Education Committee mandate pending clarification of<span class=""> </span><a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GeoForAll_OSGeo_Relationship" class="" target="_blank">GeoForAll OSGeo Relationship</a><span class=""> </span>with
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