[Incubator] Info on the Old OSGeo Labs

Even Rouault even.rouault at spatialys.com
Tue Mar 8 02:43:16 PST 2016


Le mardi 08 mars 2016 11:35:18, Cameron Shorter a écrit :
> Hey Jody,
> I'm actually agreeing with all you are suggesting doing with the
> rebranded "OSGeo Labs", except the name "OSGeo Technology". This name
> misrepresents the "Self Serve", non-validated concept of "OSGeo Labs".
> The name implies "built out of OSGeo Projects".  This is a dis-service
> to people who come to our site for the first time, a dis-service to
> "OSGeo Projects" who now become associated with immature projects.
> 
> Pick a more accurate name than "OSGeo Technology" and I'd back the rest
> of what you are suggesting.

OSGeo aspiring projects ?

> 
> Warm regards, Cameron
> 
> On 7/03/2016 9:55 am, Jody Garnett wrote:
> > This is going to be a tough one Cameron ... our brand currently has a
> > reputation for turning projects away ... not quality.
> > 
> > The long story short is how to respond to the direction to be
> > inclusive. We have two strong characters on this mailing list with an
> > axe to grind making it difficult for projects to be part of OSGeo. I
> > am very keen on projects *being* open source, and you are very keen on
> > making projects safe for users to adopt (project viability, quality,
> > open standards).
> > 
> > I am proposing repurposing "OSGeo Labs" (which did not promise
> > anything as a brand and got adopted by GeoForAll) as "OSGeo
> > Technology" to focus on the open source angle; in order to preserve
> > "OSGeo Projects" (and incubation) to focus on the second.
> > 
> > We have a tension here between being inclusive (read easy) and
> > transparent (which takes effort).
> > 
> > How would you like to add "transparency" to this mix? We could provide
> > a table with website, download, documentation, test results - not sure
> > if that would help with transparency?
> > 
> > I know we keep coming back to a rating system on this mailing list - I
> > recognize your work in this area for OSGeo Live with the introduction
> > of black duck metrics. I imagine you would also be happy to phrase
> > things as positive "badges" (for projects that have documentation, or
> > quality assurance, or standards testing).  For quality, documentation
> > and so forth I think we are stuck leading by example (and perhaps
> > working with the OGC on standards compliance).
> > 
> > On 3 March 2016 at 23:57, Cameron Shorter <cameron.shorter at gmail.com
> > 
> > <mailto:cameron.shorter at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >     Hi Jody,
> >     I agree with your suggestion that "Old OSGeo Labs" need not have
> >     an aim of entering OSGeo incubation.
> >     However, I object to any project becoming associated with OSGeo
> >     without it being obvious about the level of quality control the
> >     project has gone through.
> >     
> >     As suggested below, I could knock together 100 lines of
> >     uncommented, non-working code, give it an open source license, and
> >     then add a "OSGeo Technology" logo to the home page. And most
> >     average punters wouldn't know the difference between term "OSGeo
> >     Project" and "OSGeo Technology". This would result in diminishing
> >     the current association between OSGeo applications and quality,
> >     which would be a bad thing.
> >     
> >     I feel "OSGeo Labs", "OSGeo Community Builder Projects", or
> >     shortened to "OSGeo Builder Projects" are less likely to be
> >     confused with "OSGeo Incubated" projects.
> >     
> >     Warm regards, Cameron
> >     
> >     On 4/03/2016 2:13 am, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:
> >         +1, I think these changes make a lot of sense and as part of
> >         an OSGeo Technology project this feels very inclusive.
> >         
> >         -Steve W
> >         
> >         On 3/3/2016 9:46 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:
> >             I would like to change the tone of the page a bit, since
> >             it "assumes"
> >             incubation ..
> >             
> >                 /OSGeo Labs is an umbrella for open source geospatial
> >             
> >             software
> >             
> >                 projects that would like to become OSGeo projects in
> >             
> >             the future, but
> >             
> >                 that aren't ready for incubation quite yet. It is
> >             
> >             appropriate to
> >             
> >                 submit your new or experimental project as an OSGeo
> >             
> >             labs project./
> >             
> >                 /
> >                 /
> >                 /The volunteers that work as part of OSGeo Labs have
> >             
> >             the goal of
> >             
> >                 helping OSGeo Labs Projects qualify for incubation. To
> >             
> >             reach this
> >             
> >                 goal, OSGeo Labs volunteers help OSGeo Labs Projects
> >             
> >             with the
> >             
> >                 following tasks:
> >                 /
> >             
> >             Would become:
> >                 /Welcome to OSGeo Technology. The projects listed here
> >             
> >             are part of
> >             
> >                 the Open Source Geospatial Foundation and range from new
> >                 experimental projects to established pillars of our
> >             
> >             open source
> >             
> >                 ecosystem./
> >                 /
> >                 /
> >                 /All projects here meet our goals as an organization -
> >             
> >             they are open
> >             
> >                 source (no really we checked) and are inclusive and
> >             
> >             welcoming to new
> >             
> >                 contributors./
> >                 /
> >                 /
> >                 
> >                 /Projects that go on to establish excellence in
> >             
> >             community building,
> >             
> >                 documentation, and governance can enter our
> >             
> >             "incubation" program. /
> >             
> >             
> >             I would also lose the "status" conditions
> >             seed/seedling/sapling/adult
> >             and keep OSGeo Technology focused on the basics (open source
> >             & inclusive). The status becomes having the "OSGeo
> >             Technology" badge nice
> >             and simple.
> >             
> >             Thinking this through a bit more we have one clear reason
> >             for projects
> >             to go through with incubation - being recognized by the
> >             board and having
> >             an OSGeo Officer listed directly for the project, while
> >             OSGeo Technology
> >             projects "share" an officer (as part of "incubation
> >             committee").
> >             
> >             On 11 February 2016 at 11:04, Landon Blake
> >             <sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> >             <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>
> >             <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com
> >             
> >             <mailto:sunburned.surveyor at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >                 There is some good information on what we were trying
> >             
> >             to achieve
> >             
> >                 with the old OSGeo Labs on the wiki:
> >             https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs
> >             
> >                 I think most of that information on the wiki still
> >             
> >             applies. This
> >             
> >                 includes the purpose of labs, how projects get started
> >             
> >             in labs, what
> >             
> >                 labs is trying to accomplish, and the criteria to
> >             
> >             determine if your
> >             
> >                 project is a good fit for labs.
> >                 
> >                 Does anyone have major heartburn with what is laid out
> >             
> >             on that wiki
> >             
> >                 page? (I'll rename the wiki page as soon as we get a
> >             
> >             new name for labs.)
> >             
> >                 Landon
> >             
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