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May want to ask on the italian osgeo email list, it could be that we are just out of the loop on this one.
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<div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Jody Garnett<br></div><div><br></div></div>
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<span><div><div><div>My feeling so far is that GISClient isn't ready yet to become an OSGeo </div><div>project due to the current immaturity of the community behind this project.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the issues that the web portal projects are facing is that there </div><div>is a number of projects all competing for the same sponsors and developers.</div><div><br></div><div>I'd encourage the GISClient project to follow the steps involved in </div><div>going through incubation (which is good software management practices </div><div>anyway), and work on building community. One way to build community is </div><div>to consider consolidating with other GIS Portal projects.</div><div><br></div><div>On 17/11/2012 11:40 AM, Landon Blake wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Here are my responses to questions/comments from Jody on the GISClient</div><div>incubation application.</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------</div><div>From: Landon Blake <<a href="mailto:sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com">sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 3:14 PM</div><div>Subject: Re: [Incubator] GisClient OS Project Application</div><div>To: Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Jody wrote: "Is the second company committing (or just using the project)?"</div><div><br></div><div>I believe the second company is committing, so they pass the bar in this regard.</div><div><br></div><div>What is the next step for GISClient?</div><div><br></div><div>Good to hear about GeoServer. I will check in with that project in a</div><div>separate thread.</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div>On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div><div><br></div><div>On Saturday, 17 November 2012 at 4:12 AM, Landon Blake wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>I completed my initial review of the GISClient incubation application</div><div>today (a little behind schedule).</div><div><br></div><div>I wanted to provide the rest of the Incubation Committee with my few</div><div>review comments:</div><div><br></div><div>1) I'm not much of a web programmer, although I do tinker with</div><div>OpenLayers. So I'm a little unclear as to the purpose of the project.</div><div>Here is how the application describes it:</div><div><br></div><div>GisClient3 is an open source software written in AJAX, Javascript,</div><div>PHP/MapScript that allows to configure a range of tools and</div><div>functionalities easily and quickly. It works as a web authoring tool</div><div>configurator for MapServer and enables to both build up Mapfiles and</div><div>provide OpenLayers maps.</div><div><br></div><div>Does that make sense to any of you?</div><div><br></div><div>So I would assume it is a "higher level turn-key" solution similar to</div><div>MapFish, Geomajas and others.</div><div>One of the advantages of MapGuide OpenSource is they offer this kind of "end</div><div>to end" solution.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a number of projects in this space - the more the merrier.</div><div><br></div><div>2) The project seems to have originated with one business in Italy,</div><div>although it is now being used by a second Italian company. The</div><div>application sttes there are no patent or copyright issues, so this</div><div>shouldn't be a big concern. But it seems this is definitely a project</div><div>being sponsored by companies more than by individial developers.</div><div><br></div><div>So it may need to hang out in GeoLabs and work on community building. We do</div><div>our best</div><div>to only accept projects when they have a broader base of developers.</div><div><br></div><div>We have done a minimum of two (for an established project).</div><div><br></div><div>Is the second company committing (or just using the project)?</div><div><br></div><div>3) The user and developer base seems to be focused in Italy. It would</div><div>seem reasonable that one goal of incubation would be to widen this</div><div>user/developer base.</div><div><br></div><div>May not actually be a concern, i3Geo is very large project that has thus far</div><div>been limited</div><div>to one region.</div><div><br></div><div>So the concern is more about bus number, and less about Italy.</div><div><br></div><div>4) The project is currently unit testing/software testing. This is</div><div>also something we should encourage during incubation.</div><div><br></div><div>Cameron would like to encourage QA, and it does appear on our checklist.</div><div>Right now we are only asking projects to document the QA procedures that</div><div>they</div><div>currently perform (as way of encouragement - and warning for any developers</div><div>considering involvement).</div><div><br></div><div>I think the next step will be point out that projects without testing/unit</div><div>testing</div><div>fail to attack trust, and fail to attract developers. Simply because they</div><div>are more</div><div>expensive to modify as community.</div><div><br></div><div>Consider this an advocacy thing - that goes beyond our limited ("sanity</div><div>check" mandate).</div><div><br></div><div>If we decide to accept the application, do we have a mentor available?</div><div>I can mentor the project (there isn't much happening with Geoserver</div><div>right now), but it would be better to get a mentor with more web</div><div>development experience.</div><div><br></div><div>We have a one project per mentor limit - to avoid burning people out :-)</div><div><br></div><div>And if you look, *everything* happened with GeoServer yesterday at a code</div><div>sprint!</div><div><br></div><div>Jody</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Let me know what you think.</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Landon Blake</div><div><<a href="mailto:sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com">sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>I'll try to take a look at the application on my lunch break tomorrow,</div><div>and will let you guys know if I see anything out of order.</div><div><br></div><div>I'll send a short e-mail to the project to let them know that we</div><div>received the application and are currently reviewing it.</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></div><div>wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>It would be nice to say hello, but yeah our email list here should look over</div><div>the application.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div><div><br></div><div>On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 at 2:55 AM, Landon Blake wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>Any objections if I review the application and establish communication</div><div>with the project?</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></div><div>wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>This is in part why I want to revise our procedure; so we respond to</div><div>projects when they apply.</div><div><br></div><div>As it is the first move we make is when we have a mentor available.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div><div><br></div><div>On Tuesday, 13 November 2012 at 2:25 AM, Landon Blake wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>Jody,</div><div><br></div><div>I'm just catching up on my e-mails. Do we need someone to review this</div><div>application?</div><div><br></div><div>Landon</div><div><br></div><div>On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 1:38 AM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></div><div>wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>The following application was mentioned in our last meeting, but not</div><div>discussed.</div><div><br></div><div>Application here: <a href="http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/910">http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/910</a> GisClient OS</div><div>Project submssion to the OsGeo Incubator Committee</div><div><br></div><div>The actual application is supplied as an ODT file:</div><div>-</div><div><a href="http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/raw-attachment/ticket/910/GisClient%20for%20OsGeo.odt">http://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/raw-attachment/ticket/910/GisClient%20for%20OsGeo.odt</a></div><div><br></div><div>In the interests of getting things moving I have copied the text after the</div><div>break...</div><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div><div><br></div><div>GisClient Incubator Application Questionnaire</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>1. Please provide the name and email address of the principal Project Owner.</div><div><br></div><div>Project name: GisClient</div><div><br></div><div>website: <a href="http://www.gisclient.org">www.gisclient.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>Project Owner: Roberto Starnini</div><div><br></div><div>Project Contact: roberto.starnini@gis<a href="http://web.it">web.it</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2. Please provide the names and emails of co-project owners (if any).</div><div><br></div><div>Co-project owner: Francesco D'Alesio</div><div><br></div><div>Co-project owner contact: <a href="mailto:francesco@r3-gis.com">francesco@r3-gis.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>3. Please provide the names, emails and entity affiliation of all official</div><div>committers</div><div><br></div><div>Roberto Starnini</div><div><br></div><div>Gis&Web srl</div><div><br></div><div>Via Gramsci 27/9</div><div><br></div><div>16126 Genova</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.gisweb.it">www.gisweb.it</a></div><div><br></div><div>tel. +39.010.247.44.91</div><div><br></div><div>fax. +39.010.941.21.32</div><div><br></div><div>roberto.starnini@gis<a href="http://web.it">web.it</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Francesco D'Alesio</div><div><br></div><div>R3-GIS s.r.l.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Merano (BZ), Italy</div><div><br></div><div>www. <a href="http://r3-gis.com">r3-gis.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>Via Johann Kravogl, 2</div><div><br></div><div>39012 Merano (BZ)</div><div><br></div><div>Tel. +39 0473 494949</div><div><br></div><div>Fax +39 0473 069902</div><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:francesco@r3-gis.com">francesco@r3-gis.com</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>4. Please describe your Project.</div><div><br></div><div>GisClient is a web authoring tool configurator for GIS projects.</div><div><br></div><div>GisClient3 is an open source software written in AJAX, Javascript,</div><div>PHP/MapScript that allows to configure a range of tools and functionalities</div><div>easily and quickly. It works as a web authoring tool configurator for</div><div>MapServer and enables to both build up Mapfiles and provide OpenLayers maps.</div><div>Designed for interoperability, GisClient3 publishes data from any major</div><div>spatial data source using open standards.</div><div><br></div><div>Improving interoperability among the open source GIS softwares is one of the</div><div>GisClient aims, that's why at the moment we are working on making GisClient3</div><div>able to create config files for a wider stack of components and, in</div><div>addition, we are developing standard interfaces (such as MapContex and</div><div>OWSContext).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>5. Why is hosting at OSGeo good for your project?</div><div><br></div><div>Being hosted at OSGeo would be good for us, cause we think that would help</div><div>in spreading out the project on a global scale. Our aim is to involve as</div><div>many users as possible to try and test GisClient, and possibly find more</div><div>developers, interested in taking part in the project and collaborate.</div><div><br></div><div>6. Type of application does this project represent(client, server,</div><div>standalone, library, etc.):</div><div><br></div><div>Server</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>7. Please describe any relationships to other open source projects.</div><div><br></div><div>a. GisClient is based on MapServer as map server</div><div><br></div><div>b. It uses Postgre/PostGis as aDB</div><div><br></div><div>c. It uses OpenLayers libraries</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>8. Please describe any relationships with commercial companies or products.</div><div><br></div><div>Gis&Web s.r.l. is a small Italian company in Genova, Italy. In the last</div><div>years, most of the GIS products, applications and services offered by Gis</div><div>&Web have been based on GisClient.</div><div><br></div><div>Actually GisClient hasn't started as a proper open source project, but as a</div><div>solution to respond the users needs and expectations. In most cases Gis&Web</div><div>customers are Municipalities and Local Authorities. They use GisClient as a</div><div>tool to manage the spatial data they are in charge of collect.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>In terms of field of applications Local Authorities have been using</div><div>GisClient in urban planning, land use, tourism and heritage management,</div><div>mobility management.</div><div><br></div><div>GisClient has also been applied by the University of Genova to reaserch</div><div>activities in the environmental monitoring sector, both in marine protected</div><div>and portual areas.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As a commercial product, GisClient it has been used as a tool to manage</div><div>utilities networs by Iren, an Italian society operating in the sector</div><div>pertaining to the water cycle and to gas distribution.</div><div><br></div><div>Not only Gis&Web but also, R3-GIS, an Italian company in Merano, has based</div><div>most of its commercial offer on GisClient. They developed different web gis</div><div>products for management of green areas, playgrounds, traffic signs,</div><div>pipelines and technological networks, environmental monitoring systems, CO2</div><div>Emission Monitoring Systems, Tourism Portals, etc.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>9. Which open source license(s) will the source code be released under?</div><div><br></div><div>GPL3</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>10. Is there already a beta or official release?</div><div><br></div><div>It is. It can be downloaded on <a href="http://www.gisclient.org/download">www.gisclient.org/download</a></div><div><br></div><div>At the moment we are working on user documentation.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>11. What is the origin of your project (commercial, experimental, thesis or</div><div>other higher education, government, or some other source)?</div><div><br></div><div>Commercial</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>12. Does the project support open standards?</div><div><br></div><div>YES</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>13. Which ones and to what extent? (OGC, w3c, ect.)</div><div><br></div><div>OGC, W3C and INSPIRE for Metadata</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>14. Has the software been certified to any standard (CITE for example)?</div><div><br></div><div>NO</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>15. If not, is it the intention of the project owners to seek certification</div><div>at some point?</div><div><br></div><div>We haven't thought about that yet.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>16. Is the code free of patents, trademarks, and do you control the</div><div>copyright?</div><div><br></div><div>Yes it is</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>17. How many people actively contribute (code, documentation, other?) to the</div><div>project at this time?</div><div><br></div><div>5</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>18. How many people have commit access to the source code respository?</div><div><br></div><div>5</div><div><br></div><div>19. Approximately how many users are currently using this project?</div><div><br></div><div>Being a web application, it is not easy to “count” them, but including the</div><div>ones who use GisClient base web application developed by Gis&Web, Iren and</div><div>R3-Gis the total amount of users will be more than 500.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>20. What type of users does your project attract (government, commercial,</div><div>hobby, academic research, etc. )?</div><div><br></div><div>all of them</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>21. If you do not intend to host any portion of this project using the OSGeo</div><div>infrastructure, why should you be considered a member project of the OSGeo</div><div>Foundation?</div><div><br></div><div>In our vision on how to develop GisClient we share most of the OSGeo</div><div>Foundation objectives.</div><div><br></div><div>In facts:</div><div><br></div><div>We aim to promote the use of open source software in the geospatial industry</div><div>and by the Goverments.</div><div><br></div><div>We aim to support the implementation of open standards and standards-based</div><div>interoperability through our project.</div><div><br></div><div>Taking part in the OsGeo Conferences (e.g. Barcelona 2009, Prague 2012), we</div><div>give our contribution to improve the internationalization of software and of</div><div>the community. We presented GisClient on occasion of the last Foss4G</div><div>Conference in Prague.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>22. Does the project include an automated build and test?</div><div><br></div><div>No</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>23. What language(s) are used in this project? (C/Java/perl/etc)</div><div><br></div><div>Php/Javascript</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>24. What is the dominant written language (i.e. English, French, Spanish,</div><div>German, etc) of the core developers?</div><div><br></div><div>English</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>25. What is the (estimated) size of a full release of this project?</div><div><br></div><div>50 Mb</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>26. How many users do you expect to download the project when it is</div><div>released?</div><div><br></div><div>2000</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Incubator mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a></div></div></blockquote><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Incubator mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Cameron Shorter</div><div>Geospatial Solutions Manager</div><div>Tel: +61 (0)2 8570 5050</div><div>Mob: +61 (0)419 142 254</div><div><br></div><div>Think Globally, Fix Locally</div><div>Geospatial Solutions enhanced with Open Standards and Open Source</div><div><a href="http://www.lisasoft.com">http://www.lisasoft.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Incubator mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a></div></div></div></span>
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