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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
      <br>
      There was a discussion earlier today on IRC (#osgeo) about pycsw
      community numbers etc:<br>
      <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2012-12-18.log">http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2012-12-18.log</a><br>
      <br>
      Daniel asked to raise here the following issue:<br>
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            <td valign="top">17:18:51</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">agreed… and building the community is not
              easy and I hate to be perceived as a blocker for young
              projects when I bring up that community size criterai â€¦</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:20:33</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">kalxas:</td>
            <td class="post">as tomkralidis said before, we applied
              based on the evaluation criteria</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:20:42</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">tomkralidis:</td>
            <td class="post">dmorissette: it would be valuable if that
              criteria was somehow on <a
                href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html</a></td>
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            <td valign="top">17:20:46</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">sigq:</td>
            <td class="post">Title: Project Evaluation Criteria |
              OSGeo.org (at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.osgeo.org">www.osgeo.org</a>)</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:20:55</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">kalxas:</td>
            <td class="post">perhaps this document should be more strict
              to discourage us :)</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:21:04</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">It's in the Desirables</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:21:24</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">2. Project already has a substantial user
              community.</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:21:35</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">3. Project already has a substantial and
              diverse developer community.</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:22:13</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">Those desirables (all 9 points) should
              become requirements… or it should be made more clear
              that by the end of incubation you need to achieve them</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:22:15</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">tomkralidis:</td>
            <td class="post">perhaps it should be in mandatory</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:22:35</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">please bring up that point on the list… a
              very good one. This doc needs fixing</td>
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            <td valign="top">17:22:52</td>
            <td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
            <td class="post">Jody will probably grab the ball and
              address the issue</td>
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      Another issue raised here in my opinion is also this: Should a
      project fulfill all desirables in order to be incubated or it must
      fulfill all desirables in order to graduate? The above evaluation
      document clearly states that "Projects should meet some or all of
      the Desirable Criteria". So our application was based on this not
      being discouraging for us. On the contrary we felt being good
      enough based on those criteria for incubation.<br>
      <br>
      Perhaps this document should be more strict? Thoughts?<br>
      <br>
      Cheers,<br>
      Angelos<br>
       <br>
      <br>
      On 12/18/2012 03:19 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:<br>
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    <blockquote cite="mid:50D06D70.2040001@mapgears.com" type="cite">Hi
      Angelos,
      <br>
      <br>
      Thank you for adding this Community page and link, it looks
      perfect to me.
      <br>
      <br>
      I agree with Eli that it's hard to decide which pages are
      important enough to make it to the nav. bar. when we design a
      website, but I think that for an open source project, a link to
      something like this community page is essential since the
      community is the blood of the project: without a community of
      users and developers the project is just stale source code. In the
      proprietary world there is a company pumping blood into a product
      through its marketing and R&D teams, in the open source world
      the community of users and devs *is* the blood.
      <br>
      <br>
      Only my opinion of course, all points of view are much welcome...
      <br>
      <br>
      Daniel
      <br>
      <br>
      <br>
      On 12-12-18 7:18 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite">Hi Daniel and Eli,
        <br>
        <br>
        Thanks for your feedback.
        <br>
        We have made some changes, adding a Community link on the first
        page.
        <br>
        <br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/">http://pycsw.org/</a>
        <br>
        <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/community.html">http://pycsw.org/community.html</a>
        <br>
        <br>
        Comments and questions are welcome.
        <br>
        <br>
        Best regards,
        <br>
        Angelos
        <br>
        <br>
        On 12/14/2012 09:03 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Daniel
          Morissette
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dmorissette@mapgears.com"><dmorissette@mapgears.com></a> wrote:
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">On 12-12-14 1:07 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
            <br>
            <blockquote type="cite">
              <br>
              I don't know if this is new since yesterday, but I did
              find,
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/docs/support.html?highlight=mail">http://pycsw.org/docs/support.html?highlight=mail</a> and
              <br>
              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/docs/development.html?highlight=mail">http://pycsw.org/docs/development.html?highlight=mail</a>
              neither of which
              <br>
              were very prominent to people making little effort to find
              it.  It is
              <br>
              hard to decide which are the most prominent items to put
              on the home
              <br>
              page.
              <br>
              <br>
            </blockquote>
            That's probably not new, I just didn't find it, thank you
            for the
            <br>
            pointer.
            <br>
            Unfortunately the shortest path I can find to get to it is 3
            levels down
            <br>
            from the home page:
            <br>
            <br>
               Home -> Docs -> 1.4.0 -> (scroll-down) ->
            Support
            <br>
            <br>
            Now that I know what to look for I guess I could have used
            the search
            <br>
            box.
            <br>
            <br>
            This made me realize that this site structure seems to be
            inspired
            <br>
            from the
            <br>
            MapServer website which suffers from a similar problem
            (except that
            <br>
            MapServer has a link to the "community activities" page in
            the intro
            <br>
            text of
            <br>
            the home page, but it's still fairly easy to miss).
            <br>
          </blockquote>
          Putting the 'most important' things in a 'most prominent'
          manner is
          <br>
          always very difficult, well at least deciding what those
          things are
          <br>
          can be difficult.
          <br>
          <br>
          It has been my opinion for many years that the best approach
          to the
          <br>
          MapServer documentation (which I think is great) is to use the
          search.
          <br>
            The same is probably true for GeoMOOSE and pycsw (and other
          Sphinx
          <br>
          based) documentation.
          <br>
          <br>
          Eli
          <br>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            <br>
            --
            <br>
            Daniel Morissette
            <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Angelos Tzotsos
Remote Sensing Laboratory
National Technical University of Athens
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