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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
<br>
There was a discussion earlier today on IRC (#osgeo) about pycsw
community numbers etc:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2012-12-18.log">http://irclogs.geoapt.com/osgeo/%23osgeo.2012-12-18.log</a><br>
<br>
Daniel asked to raise here the following issue:<br>
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<td valign="top">17:18:51</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">agreed… and building the community is not
easy and I hate to be perceived as a blocker for young
projects when I bring up that community size criterai …</td>
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<td valign="top">17:20:33</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">kalxas:</td>
<td class="post">as tomkralidis said before, we applied
based on the evaluation criteria</td>
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<td valign="top">17:20:42</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">tomkralidis:</td>
<td class="post">dmorissette: it would be valuable if that
criteria was somehow on <a
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/evaluation.html</a></td>
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<td valign="top">17:20:46</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">sigq:</td>
<td class="post">Title: Project Evaluation Criteria |
OSGeo.org (at <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.osgeo.org">www.osgeo.org</a>)</td>
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<td valign="top">17:20:55</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">kalxas:</td>
<td class="post">perhaps this document should be more strict
to discourage us :)</td>
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<td valign="top">17:21:04</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">It's in the Desirables</td>
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<td valign="top">17:21:24</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">2. Project already has a substantial user
community.</td>
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<td valign="top">17:21:35</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">3. Project already has a substantial and
diverse developer community.</td>
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<td valign="top">17:22:13</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">Those desirables (all 9 points) should
become requirements… or it should be made more clear
that by the end of incubation you need to achieve them</td>
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<td valign="top">17:22:15</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">tomkralidis:</td>
<td class="post">perhaps it should be in mandatory</td>
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<td valign="top">17:22:35</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">please bring up that point on the list… a
very good one. This doc needs fixing</td>
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<td valign="top">17:22:52</td>
<td class="nick" valign="top">dmorissette:</td>
<td class="post">Jody will probably grab the ball and
address the issue</td>
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Another issue raised here in my opinion is also this: Should a
project fulfill all desirables in order to be incubated or it must
fulfill all desirables in order to graduate? The above evaluation
document clearly states that "Projects should meet some or all of
the Desirable Criteria". So our application was based on this not
being discouraging for us. On the contrary we felt being good
enough based on those criteria for incubation.<br>
<br>
Perhaps this document should be more strict? Thoughts?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Angelos<br>
<br>
<br>
On 12/18/2012 03:19 PM, Daniel Morissette wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:50D06D70.2040001@mapgears.com" type="cite">Hi
Angelos,
<br>
<br>
Thank you for adding this Community page and link, it looks
perfect to me.
<br>
<br>
I agree with Eli that it's hard to decide which pages are
important enough to make it to the nav. bar. when we design a
website, but I think that for an open source project, a link to
something like this community page is essential since the
community is the blood of the project: without a community of
users and developers the project is just stale source code. In the
proprietary world there is a company pumping blood into a product
through its marketing and R&D teams, in the open source world
the community of users and devs *is* the blood.
<br>
<br>
Only my opinion of course, all points of view are much welcome...
<br>
<br>
Daniel
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<br>
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On 12-12-18 7:18 AM, Angelos Tzotsos wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Daniel and Eli,
<br>
<br>
Thanks for your feedback.
<br>
We have made some changes, adding a Community link on the first
page.
<br>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/">http://pycsw.org/</a>
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/community.html">http://pycsw.org/community.html</a>
<br>
<br>
Comments and questions are welcome.
<br>
<br>
Best regards,
<br>
Angelos
<br>
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On 12/14/2012 09:03 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Daniel
Morissette
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dmorissette@mapgears.com"><dmorissette@mapgears.com></a> wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 12-12-14 1:07 PM, Eli Adam wrote:
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<br>
I don't know if this is new since yesterday, but I did
find,
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/docs/support.html?highlight=mail">http://pycsw.org/docs/support.html?highlight=mail</a> and
<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pycsw.org/docs/development.html?highlight=mail">http://pycsw.org/docs/development.html?highlight=mail</a>
neither of which
<br>
were very prominent to people making little effort to find
it. It is
<br>
hard to decide which are the most prominent items to put
on the home
<br>
page.
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
That's probably not new, I just didn't find it, thank you
for the
<br>
pointer.
<br>
Unfortunately the shortest path I can find to get to it is 3
levels down
<br>
from the home page:
<br>
<br>
Home -> Docs -> 1.4.0 -> (scroll-down) ->
Support
<br>
<br>
Now that I know what to look for I guess I could have used
the search
<br>
box.
<br>
<br>
This made me realize that this site structure seems to be
inspired
<br>
from the
<br>
MapServer website which suffers from a similar problem
(except that
<br>
MapServer has a link to the "community activities" page in
the intro
<br>
text of
<br>
the home page, but it's still fairly easy to miss).
<br>
</blockquote>
Putting the 'most important' things in a 'most prominent'
manner is
<br>
always very difficult, well at least deciding what those
things are
<br>
can be difficult.
<br>
<br>
It has been my opinion for many years that the best approach
to the
<br>
MapServer documentation (which I think is great) is to use the
search.
<br>
The same is probably true for GeoMOOSE and pycsw (and other
Sphinx
<br>
based) documentation.
<br>
<br>
Eli
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
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--
<br>
Daniel Morissette
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<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.mapgears.com/">http://www.mapgears.com/</a>
<br>
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Angelos Tzotsos
Remote Sensing Laboratory
National Technical University of Athens
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