<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Agreed Jody.<br><br></div><div>The 'commit issue' was the approach that I took to try and get this issue out in the open.<br></div><div><br></div>I'll wait until tomorrow morning (Australian Time) to allow time for other Incubation Committee Members to comment, before I take this issue up with the Rasdaman Community.<br>
<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Bruce<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 3:29 PM, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-size:14px">So I think that means they do not quality for OSGeo incubation. Part of our driver here is to promote open development (i.e. to ensure that anyone can take part - it is not pay-to-play, or in the benevolent dictatorship case create-to-play).</span>
</div><div><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px">Note "play" in the case is about "making significant strategic decisions" rather than simply "commit".</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px">I am not personally against benevolent dictatorship, that is how JTS (foundation of our industry) operates. It is just not the ideal we to promote as an organisation.</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:14px">With that in mind, I expect you can read the announcement of "benevolent dictator" as truth in advertising (which is to be applauded). Please check with the project if open development is something they wish to work towards while in incubation, or if they wish to withdraw from incubation.</span></div>
<div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:14px">If you feel especially worried about this one we can bump it up to the board to confirm our mandate as incubation committee, but this looks to fall within our jurisdiction (specifically your role as mentor).</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:14px"><br></span></div><div>-- </div><div><div>Jody Garnett<br></div><div><br></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<p style="color:#a0a0a8">On Wednesday, 31 July 2013 at 10:00 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:</p>
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<span><div><div><div class="h5"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Please note the email exchange below.<br><br>I would appreciate some advice from my Incubation Committee colleagues prior to progressing further with this issue.<br>
<br><br><br>The Rasdaman project has now declared itself to be "benevolent dictatorship" project.<br>
<br>I have been concerned for some time over the amount of decision making control that is held within the leadership group. This group is closely related to the Rasdaman GmbH company.<br><br>While the project leadership team are making positive steps to open up discussions on issues to the wider community, the decision making process is far from transparent and is tightly controlled.<br>
<br>I'm personally not comfortable with this situation and am seeing a real danger of the project becoming a free development team for Rasdaman GmbH, but with the project members having no real control over the future directions of the project.<br>
<br></div><div>You may also recall my comments in my last Incubation Report [1] relating to the decision making process in this project.<br></div><div><br></div>Is this a situation that we wish to see within an OSGeo endorsed project?<br>
<br></div>What are your thoughts on the matter?<br><br></div>Bruce<br><div><div><div><br>[1] <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IncCom_Report22" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/IncCom_Report22</a><br><br><br>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: <b>Bruce Bannerman</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au" target="_blank">B.Bannerman@bom.gov.au</a>></span><br>Date: Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 9:49 AM<br>
Subject: FW: [rasdaman-dev] patch quality [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]<br>To: Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>><br><br><br><br>
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On 30/07/13 4:53 PM, "Peter Baumann" <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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>Bruce,<br>
><br>
>as below:<br>
><br>
>On 07/30/2013 02:53 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
>> Peter,<br>
>><br>
>> Out of interest:<br>
>><br>
>> What process are we using to review and accept contributed patches?<br>
><br>
>the patch manager page accepts submissions, which are reviewed by<br>
>committers<br>
>internally. Everyone can commit, upon doubts we discuss. Accepted or<br>
>rejected,<br>
>submitters get notified.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Who undertakes this work?<br>
><br>
>committers currently are:<br>
>Peter Baumann<br>
>Dimitar Misev<br>
>Stephan Meissl<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Do we have a formal group of 'committers' to undertake this task?<br>
><br>
>the above ones who get active depending on availability (we have a quite<br>
>high<br>
>submission frequency).<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> How do community members become committers? What process is used?<br>
><br>
>as Piero mentioned recently: we have the "benevolent dictatorship"<br>
>variant in place.<br>
>open and free discussion, and everybody for sure is heard, but I reserve<br>
>the<br>
>right for an ultimate decision.<br>
><br>
>-Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Bruce<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 29/07/13 5:24 PM, "Peter Baumann" <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Dear contributors,<br>
>>><br>
>>> continuously you are greatly enhancing rasdaman. Please take care of<br>
>>>the<br>
>>> advice<br>
>>> given on the patch submission page, in particular the code guide.<br>
>>> Frequent issues which may lead to rejection of a patch:<br>
>>> - no test provided for the fix/enhancement<br>
>>> - code guide violated, most commonly: formatting, use of variables<br>
>>> - fix addresses local problem reported, but obviously leaves open the<br>
>>> "hole" for<br>
>>> other, similar situations<br>
>>><br>
>>> In particular fixes submitted against master must adhere to our<br>
>>> guidelines.<br>
>>><br>
>>> thanks for caring, and keep on doing good things,<br>
>>> Peter<br>
>>><br>
>>> PS: an announcement: having Susanne on board now (she comes from the<br>
>>> PostgreSQL<br>
>>> and MySQL communities) we are getting further insights into OS code<br>
>>> management.<br>
>>> Stay tuned, she has spotted our petascope error handling!<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
>>> - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann" target="_blank">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a><br>
>>> mail: <a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a><br>
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>>> - Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.rasdaman.com" target="_blank">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com" target="_blank">baumann@rasdaman.com</a><br>
>>> tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: <a href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882" value="+491735837882" target="_blank">+49-173-5837882</a><br>
>>> "Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis<br>
>>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli<br>
>>> destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer,<br>
>>>AD<br>
>>> 1083)<br>
>>><br>
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>--<br>
>Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
> - Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen<br>
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