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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Bruce,<br>
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On 08/01/2013 04:18 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>Peter,<br>
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This is the first that I've seen Rasdaman
declared as operating under a 'Benevolent
Dictatorship' model. I'm not sure what
discussion has gone into this declaration. I
have certainly not seen any discussion on the
public Rasdaman lists.<br>
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This declaration has implications for Rasdaman
continuing as an OSGeo Project in incubation.<br>
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I suggest that the Rasdaman Community, pause and
consider how to move forward as an open source
project.<br>
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I hope pausing does not mean we should stop doing good things while
we are trying to improve :)<br>
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For sure we still have a learning curve wrt organization - hard for
us open-source projects to do all to perfection.<br>
While I will keep a final say when it comes to disputes, logistics
certainly includes setting up a board, committers, and procedures to
grab them.<br>
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Currently we are preparing for the review of a 11-partner project we
are leading, so don't expect too much in the next 2 months. Stay
tuned...<br>
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cheers,<br>
Peter<br>
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Prior to discussing this further in this email, I'd
like to make two observations as the OSGeo Mentor for
the Rasdaman Community:<br>
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- I am pleased to see how the Rasdaman Community is
starting to work together and develop some real momentum
as an open source project. There has been a marked
increase in the pace of the work that is occurring
within the community now when compared to where we were
several years ago. The community is starting to bed down
some good code development and release management
processes that bode well for the future of the Project.<br>
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- I am also pleased to see key members of the community
take an active leadership role in developing appropriate
open spatial standards. You are being very effective in
this work. The spatial community as a whole benefit from
your tenacity.<br>
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The issue that we face is that of the Rasdaman Project
operating as a 'Benevolent Dictatorship'.<br>
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This is at odds with what OSGeo is trying to achieve through
the Incubation process that Rasdaman requested to undertake
and was accepted into, in good faith.<br>
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You may recall one of the factors that is considered for OSGeo
Graduation [1]:<br>
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"<i>The project has demonstrated ...[an] active and healthy
community:</i><i><br>
</i><i>...</i><i><br>
</i><i>Long term viability of the project is demonstrated by
showing participation and direction from multiple developers,
who come from multiple organisations.</i><i><br>
</i><i>Eg. The project is resilient enough to sustain loss of a
developer or supporting organisation, often referred to as
having a high bus factor. Decisions are made openly instead of
behind closed doors, which empowers all developers to take
ownership of the project and facilitates spreading of
knowledge between current and future team members.</i>"<br>
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<div>In my comments in my last report to the OSGeo
Incubation Committee [2], I noted a number of issues
that reflected an apparent lack of open process
about how any community member can participate,
including in the decision making process of the
project, and through effort, commitment and merit
can earn a position of trust as a community leader.<br>
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<div>We are trying to establish a robust community
that can survive the departure of key people and
still continue and thrive.<br>
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<div>With the 'benevolent dictatorship' declaration, I
can see that we have an impasse that needs to be
addressed.<br>
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<div>I can accept that during the early stages of the
formation of a community that strong leadership from
a few key people is desirable to get momentum going.<br>
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<div>However, as a project progresses, other community
members also develop a good understanding of the
technology and potential future directions. They may
also have strong skills to bring into a leadership
role.<br>
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I believe that all community members should have the
right to contribute on merit. This includes in
leadership roles. The best approach on how to deal
with a problem should be accepted, regardless of who
originates it.<br>
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Where there is an impasse, it is useful to have a
small group of people in a steering committee type
of role who can help defuse and resolve issues
within a clearly defined process.<br>
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<div>As we stand now, with the 'benevolent
dictatorship' approach, I cannot in good faith
recommend to the OSGeo Incubation Committee is ready
to graduate from the Incubation process.<br>
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<div>We are not too far from completing the OSGeo
Graduation process, if we can resolve this issue and
move forward with establishing robust and open
processes.<br>
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<div>I recommend to the Rasdaman Community that you
undertake a robust and rigorous discussion on how
you'd like to move forward as a community.<br>
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<div>For consideration.<br>
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<div>Bruce<br>
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On 30/07/13 4:53 PM, "Peter Baumann" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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>Bruce,<br>
><br>
>as below:<br>
><br>
>On 07/30/2013 02:53 AM, Bruce
Bannerman wrote:<br>
>> Peter,<br>
>><br>
>> Out of interest:<br>
>><br>
>> What process are we using to
review and accept contributed patches?<br>
><br>
>the patch manager page accepts
submissions, which are reviewed by<br>
>committers<br>
>internally. Everyone can commit, upon
doubts we discuss. Accepted or<br>
>rejected,<br>
>submitters get notified.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Who undertakes this work?<br>
><br>
>committers currently are:<br>
>Peter Baumann<br>
>Dimitar Misev<br>
>Stephan Meissl<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Do we have a formal group of
'committers' to undertake this task?<br>
><br>
>the above ones who get active
depending on availability (we have a quite<br>
>high<br>
>submission frequency).<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> How do community members become
committers? What process is used?<br>
><br>
>as Piero mentioned recently: we have
the "benevolent dictatorship"<br>
>variant in place.<br>
>open and free discussion, and
everybody for sure is heard, but I reserve<br>
>the<br>
>right for an ultimate decision.<br>
><br>
>-Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Bruce<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 29/07/13 5:24 PM, "Peter
Baumann" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> Dear contributors,<br>
>>><br>
>>> continuously you are greatly
enhancing rasdaman. Please take care of<br>
>>>the<br>
>>> advice<br>
>>> given on the patch submission
page, in particular the code guide.<br>
>>> Frequent issues which may
lead to rejection of a patch:<br>
>>> - no test provided for the
fix/enhancement<br>
>>> - code guide violated, most
commonly: formatting, use of variables<br>
>>> - fix addresses local problem
reported, but obviously leaves open the<br>
>>> "hole" for<br>
>>> other, similar situations<br>
>>><br>
>>> In particular fixes submitted
against master must adhere to our<br>
>>> guidelines.<br>
>>><br>
>>> thanks for caring, and keep
on doing good things,<br>
>>> Peter<br>
>>><br>
>>> PS: an announcement: having
Susanne on board now (she comes from the<br>
>>> PostgreSQL<br>
>>> and MySQL communities) we are
getting further insights into OS code<br>
>>> management.<br>
>>> Stay tuned, she has spotted
our petascope error handling!<br>
>>><br>
>>> --<br>
>>> Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
>>> - Professor of Computer
Science, Jacobs University Bremen<br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann"
target="_blank">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a><br>
>>> mail: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a><br>
>>> tel: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-421-200-3178"
value="+494212003178">+49-421-200-3178</a>,
fax: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-421-200-493178"
value="+49421200493178">+49-421-200-493178</a><br>
>>> - Executive Director,
rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)<br>
>>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.com"
target="_blank">www.rasdaman.com</a>,
mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a><br>
>>> tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax:
0800-rasdafax, mobile: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882"
value="+491735837882">+49-173-5837882</a><br>
>>> "Si forte in alienas manus
oberraverit hec peregrina epistola
incertis<br>
>>> ventis dimissa, sed Deo
commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui
soli<br>
>>> destinata, nec preripiat
quisquam non sibi parata." (mail
disclaimer,<br>
>>>AD<br>
>>> 1083)<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>><br>
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>--<br>
>Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
> - Professor of Computer Science,
Jacobs University Bremen<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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>"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit
hec peregrina epistola incertis<br>
>ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata,
precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli<br>
>destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non
sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD<br>
>1083)<br>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)
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