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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Frank,<br>
I'm ok with a project being in incubation if the project is making
steady progress toward an incubation goal. From what I can gather,
the MetaCRS project has stalled, and as such we should think about
options, such as incubating the sub-projects of MetaCRS
individually.<br>
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I think that proj4j is worthy of an OSGeo stamp of approval. I
expect that proj4j would pass all OSGeo incubation criteria,
except the broad base of contributors?<br>
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The broad base of contributors criteria is a measure of the future
viability of the project. In the proj4 case, I believe that a
strong case can be presented that the project would continue on,
even if Frank were to stop maintaining it tomorrow.<br>
Reasons:<br>
1. There are many technically competent proj4j uses with a vested
interest in proj4j being maintained. These users would almost
certainly step up to continue maintaining proj4j if required.<br>
2. proj4j is a very mature code base, which I suspect doesn't
require much maintenance any more?<br>
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As such, I'd like to see a case put forward for proj4 to be
incubated, as I think it would be voted through by our committee.<br>
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On 14/09/13 10:01, Frank Warmerdam wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Cameron,</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">The reason MetaCRS was done as a sort
of meta project was that it was perceived that each would be
too small on it's own to be considered a viable community.
If were to try and incubate them separately, how would we
address that concern. For instance, at least at times PROJ.4
has been essentially a one man project despite having a fairly
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<div class="gmail_extra">I had vague aspirations that a sort of
community would gel amount the components of the MetaCRS
project. There has been a little synergy out of this, but
quite far short of what I might have hoped for in terms of
gelling. </div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I must say, I'm not sure of the way
forward.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I, personally, am ok with this sitting
in incubation of for a while longer but I realize that some
other folks on the committee would like to see time horizons
shorter than a decade for the incubation process. :-)</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">We could actually reasonably easily
(IMHO) push the copyright review phase ahead. But I'm not
sure how worthwhile that is without a meaningfully gelled
shared community.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Best regards,</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">Frank</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:37 PM,
Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a
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Frank,<br>
I suspect that the grouping of the MetaCRS projects
together would be making it hard to complete incubation,
because you would be needing to check back on all projects
to confirm completion of each incubation step?<br>
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Maybe a way forward would be to push each project through
incubation separately? I suspect that proj4j should be
able to fly through the criteria very quickly by itself?<br>
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On 13/09/13 23:13, Daniel Morissette wrote:<br>
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Hi Jody, all,<br>
<br>
I am currently the mentor for the MetaCRS project, which
is a kind of a special case because it is an aggregate
of multiple CRS-related projects, given that each of
them is not big enough on its own, but that the services
they provide are critical to all OSGeo software, and we
thought that cross-collaboration between those projects
can be a great OSGeo asset and a way to raise their
respective bus numbers.<br>
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I still believe that MetaCRS should try to get through
incubation, but I can't find the time to work with them
in a proactive way towards that (and they have not made
that a priority either).<br>
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All this to say that if another experienced mentor is
interested, then it may be a good idea that I leave this
project to a new mentor to work with the MetaCRS
projects to figure how to handle their special situation
and get them through incubation.<br>
<br>
The lead of the MetaCRS project is Frank Warmerdam BTW.<br>
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Any volunteer?<br>
<br>
Daniel <br>
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