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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi all,<br>
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as rasdaman gets addressed specifically, and as OSGeo Charter
Member, let me weigh in:<br>
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On 01/07/2014 12:21 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>Cameron,<br>
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I’m not wedded to the specific wording that I added.<br>
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I do however feel strongly about the concept.<br>
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My concern stems from my experiences in mentoring the Rasdaman
project over several years.<br>
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Late in the Incubation process, the project has declared
itself to follow a ‘Benevolent Dictatorship’ model, with
control of the project exercised by a small group from
essentially one organisation. I currently cannot see how
community members can be elected on merit into decision making
/ management roles within the community. I did raise this with
InCom around five months ago [1].<br>
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While this issue has still to play itself out within the
Rasdaman Community, there are lessons to be learnt for future
projects that go through the Incubation process.<br>
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indeed, this was delayed for the reason communicated: the roll-out
of v9.0 which is a huge step forward = a huge pile of work.
Essentially, the international team has established a next-level
cloud-parallel analytics engine. <br>
Meantime, however, a governance description exists - see <a
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- which we hadn't announced yet due to the recent holidays. So
pending the very welcome comments by our mentor, Bruce, we do have a
statement available now. Thanks again for all your precious time
invested!<br>
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I’d like to see the issue of 'openness', particularly in
project governance brought out into the open and
***addressed*** early in the incubation process. <br>
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I do understand that it helps for a project to have active
support from at least one organisation (commercial,
government, NGO, research etc) for long term viability.
However it is not desirable for a single organisation to
control the directions of the project for the long term. <br>
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IMHO for an organization like OSGeo it is extremely important, for
its public perception, to remain technical and open to different
models.<br>
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I also acknowledge that in the short term that the support
of a single organisation may be critical for the project to
gain sufficient momentum to become self-sustaining.<br>
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Hm, on what empirical facts is this viewpoint based?<br>
Counter example: Linux. One person in the beginning, community
later.<br>
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<div>If we can bring this issue out into the open early, then we
can work through it with the project proposers and decide
jointly on how to address it.<br>
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Very much in line with this - your mentoring, Bruce, has brought us
forward in our project structuring by many miles. However,
hardcoding a specific doctrine should be avoided. <br>
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my 2 cents,<br>
Peter<br>
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This way we can potentially avoid wasting the project
community's and mentor’s time.<br>
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Bruce<br>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-weight:bold">From:
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
Tuesday, 7 January 2014 7:42 am<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Bruce
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
Re: [Incubator] Suggested tweaks to incubator docs
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<div>On 06/01/14 10:06, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>I made a couple of minor tweaks </div>
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Thanks.<br>
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<div>and added the following question to the
draft Incubator Application Questionnaire:</div>
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<div>“Please describe any factors that would
stop '''any''' suitable member of your
community from taking a committer,
management or decision making role within
your project community.”</div>
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Hi Bruce, I'm not comfortable with the above
sentence as it stands. In particular, rather
than asking for a specific FACT which can be
backed by a metric, it is asking for an OPINION
requesting arguments against the project. (A
supporter of a project is probably not the
likely person to provide that OPINION.)<br>
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I think it would help if you expanded on the
reason(s) you think this question should be
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