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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi incubation gurus,<br>
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could you shed light on the question raised below?<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Peter<br>
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On 05/27/2014 08:21 AM, Peter Baumann wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">(Jody, Cameron, Jeff, and others
involved in overseeing the incubation process: can you please
look below, there is a strategic question)<br>
<br>
Bruce-<br>
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On 05/22/2014 01:55 AM, Bruce Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>Peter,<br>
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The responses to the criteria will be very specific
to the Rasdaman Project. Therefore, I don't think
that a reference project will help that much. </div>
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we should not aim at establishing a "lex rasdaman" now, but stick
with what is considered reasonable for other projects, too.<br>
OSGeo is providing a well thought out rule set to achieve uniform,
neutral treatment of all incoming projects.<br>
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<div>Particularly as the Incubation process has
matured over the years.<br>
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Well, there are current projects under incubation, and they all
are in pretty much the same situation. Please suggest us any of
them.<br>
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Let's set the benchmark for how future such Incubation
Graduation reports should be done.<br>
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Frankly, my understanding of this process is that rasdaman
incubates like any other project, and not to work on the
incubation standards as such. Our role is too humble in this -
actually, IMHO this is the task of the incubation supervisors. <br>
So can I ask them to chime in - @incubation leaders, what's your
take on this?<br>
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The criteria has been clearly defined (IMHO).<br>
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We started with a clear incubation list indeed, and we feel like
we have responded to it. <br>
<br>
Let me point out that all this administrative work (to avoid
bureaucracy) is taking away valuable resources from development
and assisting users. So we should keep a careful balance between
what is required, what is useful, and what is just nice to have.<br>
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We just need to respond accordingly.<br>
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Let's prepare a first draft and proceed from there.<br>
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We have been responding for years now to every request, and hope
for some convergence. This above again feels like an open
statement, without any clear indicator of when the task will be
done.<br>
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<div>From below:<br>
<br>
- provide a short succinct statement that explains the
details of how Rasdaman meets each requirement.<br>
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again, this is open ended: what level of detail? I'm willing to do
the extra work if I can see another project acting as a shining
example :)<br>
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<div>Much of what we will need to reference has already been
documented on the Rasdaman wiki. We do not need to reproduce
the wiki content in the document. Just make the case for
each criterion and refer readers to the appropriate URL for
more information.<br>
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So in a joint effort, please help us better understand what is
requested, based on the OSGeo provided framework.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Peter<br>
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Bruce<br>
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at 12:19 AM, Peter Baumann <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Hi Bruce,<br>
<br>
great to have you back!<br>
To better understand your suggestions
below, what reference project in OSGeo
could we follow?<br>
I am cc'ing to the incubation list for
the same question.<br>
<br>
TIA,<br>
Peter
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On 05/21/2014 12:06 AM, Bruce
Bannerman wrote:<br>
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<div>Peter,<br>
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The OSGeo
Incubation
Project
Graduation
Checklist is
at [1].<br>
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We need to be
able to make
the case that
the Rasdaman
Project meets
the
requirements
outlined in
this
checklist.<br>
<br>
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I suggest that
this is best
done if we were
to construct a
concise document
that clearly
addresses each
point of the
checklist
showing how
Rasdaman is
ready for
graduation, and
that contains
links back to
the
authoritative
corresponding
page within the
Rasdaman Project
wiki.<br>
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We currently have
at least two pages
that refer to the
incubation status
of Rasdaman [2]
and [3].<br>
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</div>
The page at [3] is
probably a good
starting point.<br>
<br>
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Some suggestions:<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
- treat the the checklist
at [1] as a set of
requirements that we need
to meet. We need to be
able to convince the
Incubation Committee and
the OSGeo Board that the
Rasdaman Project is ready
for graduation from the
Incubation process. <br>
<br>
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- provide a short succinct
statement that explains the
details of how Rasdaman
meets each requirement. I
don't believe that an icon
with a tick will be
sufficient to convince
people who are unfamiliar
with the project that the
requirement is met.<br>
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<div class=""> - There may be
follow up work that is also
required, e.g. ensuring that
we have resolved all
outstanding IP issues. As an
example, one of the
requirements is that all
project documentation is
available via an open
license (e.g. Creative
Commons) to ensure that the
documentation is available
for re-use. How is this
handled on both the wiki and
also in static
documentation.<br>
<br>
</div>
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<div class=""> Let's start with
an initial draft and work out
what needs to be done from
there. We may need to set up a
Google hangout or two once
we've had time to reflect on
the draft.<br>
<br>
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<div class=""> Is this sufficient
information for now to proceed
on?<br>
<br>
</div>
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When do you think that we could get
a first draft to review? <br>
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<div>I hope
this helps.<br>
<br>
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<div>I'm sorry
about the
recent delay
from my end,
however as I
explained
recently it
has been
unavoidable.<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Bruce<br>
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[1] <a
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href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html"
target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a>
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<br>
[2] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Rasdaman_Incubation_Status"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Rasdaman_Incubation_Status</a>
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[3] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
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<div
class="h5"> On
19/05/2014
3:45 am,
"Peter
Baumann" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com"
target="_blank">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
>Hi Bruce,<br>
><br>
>you once
suggested to
continue the
"last mile" of
incubation in
May - so<br>
>I am<br>
>wondering
whether there
is anything
that can be
done from our
side. We're<br>
>happy<br>
>to look at
any potential
remaining
issue.<br>
><br>
>best,<br>
>Peter<br>
><br>
><br>
>On
03/02/2014
09:46 PM,
Bruce
Bannerman
wrote:<br>
>>
Thanks for the
prompt Peter,<br>
>><br>
>>
Sorry, I'm in
the middle of
preparations
for an
important
trip.<br>
>><br>
>> I did
not see any
further
discussion
within the
Community on
the<br>
>>Governance
pages, so it
is time to
progress the
incubation
issue.<br>
>><br>
>> To
expedite
matters, can I
suggest that
we get the
Rasdaman
Incubation<br>
>>Status
pages updated.
We'll also
need to make
sure that all
outstanding<br>
>>intellectual
property
issues have
been resolved.
From memory
there were<br>
>>one or
two
outstanding.<br>
>><br>
>> Bruce<br>
>><br>
>>
________________________________________<br>
>> From:
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>
[<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>]
On<br>
>>Behalf
Of Peter
Baumann [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>]<br>
>> Sent:
Saturday, 1
March 2014
7:12 AM<br>
>> To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>;
Bruce
Bannerman;<br>
>><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>
Subject: Re:
[rasdaman-dev]
finally: a
governance
document<br>
>><br>
>> Hi
Bruce,<br>
>><br>
>> while
we are
otherwise in
excellent
contact I seem
to be missing
any<br>
>>response
to<br>
>> my
recent
inquiries on
OSGeo
graduation.<br>
>>
Looking
forward to
learning your
opinion on the
status of
rasdaman.<br>
>><br>
>>
thanks,<br>
>> Peter<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On
02/17/2014
08:07 PM,
Peter Baumann
wrote:<br>
>>>
Hi again
Bruce,<br>
>>><br>
>>>
how do you see
it from your
perspective:
anything
missing for
rasdaman<br>
>>>
graduation?<br>
>>>
Kindly let us
know any issue
you would want
to see
addressed.<br>
>>><br>
>>>
best,<br>
>>>
Peter<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>>
On 01/27/2014
03:43 PM,
Peter Baumann
wrote:<br>
>>>>
Bruce-<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
interesting
twist by Alan
- how would
you see
rasdaman's
position<br>
>>>>currently,<br>
>>>>
is there
anything still
missing? (of
course we are
not perfect
yet,<br>
>>>>and
that<br>
>>>>
there is
always room
for
improvement)<br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
cheers,<br>
>>>>
Peter<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>>
On 01/10/2014
04:19 PM,
Beccati, Alan
wrote:<br>
>>>>>
It is great to
see this step
towards an
enhanced
success for
the<br>
>>>>>rasdaman<br>
>>>>>
community, and
towards our
project
graduation of
course.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
Alan<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
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Message-----<br>
>>>>>
From: <a
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href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>>>>[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com"
target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>]<br>
>>>>>
On Behalf Of
Peter Baumann<br>
>>>>>
Sent: 07
January 2014
12:02<br>
>>>>>
To: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>;
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com" target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>>>>
Subject:
[rasdaman-dev]
finally: a
governance
document<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
Hi all,<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
fresh year,
fresh results:
finally, after
getting to
breath with
9.0<br>
>>>>>
finalization,
a governance
page has been
set up -
nothing<br>
>>>>>surprising,
in<br>
>>>>>
particular no
change over
status quo,
just written
down as a
matter<br>
>>>>>of
good<br>
>>>>>
housekeeping
of the
project.<br>
>>>>>
It is
available
here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance</a><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
Happy (rest
of) 2014,<br>
>>>>>
Peter<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>
--<br>
>>>>>
Dr. Peter
Baumann<br>
</div>
</div>
>>>>>
  -
Professor of
Computer
Science,
Jacobs
University
Bremen<br>
>>>>>
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann" target="_blank">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a><br>
>>>>>
   mail:
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de" target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a><br>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
  -
Executive
Director,
rasdaman GmbH
Bremen (HRB
26793)<br>
>>>>>
   <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.com" target="_blank">www.rasdaman.com</a>,
mail: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com" target="_blank">baumann@rasdaman.com</a><br>
>>>>>
   tel:
0800-rasdaman,
fax:
0800-rasdafax,
mobile:
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>>>>><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882"
value="+491735837882" target="_blank">+49-173-5837882</a> "Si<br>
>>>>>
forte in
alienas manus
oberraverit
hec peregrina
epistola
incertis<br>
>>>>>ventis<br>
>>>>>
dimissa, sed
Deo
commendata,
precamur ut ei
reddatur cui
soli<br>
>>>>>destinata,
nec<br>
>>>>>
preripiat
quisquam non
sibi parata."
(mail
disclaimer, AD
1083)<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Dr.
Peter Baumann<br>
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>> Â
 - Professor
of Computer
Science,
Jacobs
University
Bremen<br>
>> Â Â
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>> Â
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Director,
rasdaman GmbH
Bremen (HRB
26793)<br>
>> Â Â
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>> Â Â
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>> "Si
forte in
alienas manus
oberraverit
hec peregrina
epistola
incertis<br>
>>ventis<br>
>>
dimissa, sed
Deo
commendata,
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>>destinata,
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>>
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>> Prof.
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
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tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
"Si forte in alienas manus oberraverit hec peregrina epistola incertis ventis dimissa, sed Deo commendata, precamur ut ei reddatur cui soli destinata, nec preripiat quisquam non sibi parata." (mail disclaimer, AD 1083)
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