<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Dirk,</div><div><br></div><div>Many thanks for your observations and for your willingness to share these thoughts publicly.</div><div><br></div><div>I note your concerns.</div><div><br></div><div>I assume that these concerns can be resolved within the community edition in time, should the Rasdaman community wish to address them.</div><div><br></div><div>@Peter, </div><div><br></div><div>Would you like to comment on this on behalf of the Project Steering Committee?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>@Dirk,</div><div><br></div><div>Would you like to comment on the usefulness of the current version of the Rasdaman Community edition to address the use cases that you have identified to date?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bruce<br><br><br></div><div><br>On 22 Oct 2014, at 12:14 am, Daems Dirk <<a href="mailto:dirk.daems@vito.be">dirk.daems@vito.be</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our group is part of the remote sensing department of VITO, a Flemish research institute. We are using the Rasdaman community edition in an ESA GSTP project
(the ‘ESE’ project) in which we want to evaluate Rasdaman to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">allow expert users to prototype new biophysical parameters using the WCPS query language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">generate time-series of biophysical parameter values for pre-defined regions and user-defined regions, also using the WCPS query language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We believe that Rasdaman should improve in a number of domains before using it beyond our proof of concept project:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Scalability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Null-value support</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Error handling, in particular for WCPS queries. In my opinion, this is extremely important for users who start learning the language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Quality of implementation of new features: e.g. recently implemented parallel data import but also others …</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Out-of-the box WMS with support for time-slicing so no need to duplicate data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Despite the shortcomings listed above I must say the Rasdaman community team was always eager to help when we experienced problems. Many thanks for that! I
hope this input will help to make Rasdaman a better tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dirk Daems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">VITO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a> [<a href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 21 oktober 2014 3:36<br>
<b>To:</b> <<a href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>>; <<a href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [rasdaman-users] Fwd: [Incubator] Recommend Graduation of Rasdaman from OSGeo Incubation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can I please get an indication of how many people or organisations are using the community edition of Rasdaman?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A simple reply to this email sent to <a href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">
rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a> with a brief description of your use and how you are finding the functionality of the open source version of the application will suffice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This information is required to support the current OSGeo Incubation Committee's assessment of Rasdaman as they consider a motion for Rasdaman to graduate from the graduation process.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will direct the committee to your responses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'd appreciate it if we could get responses in the next 48 hours.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bruce<br>
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Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b> Frank Warmerdam <<a href="mailto:warmerdam@pobox.com">warmerdam@pobox.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> 21 October 2014 10:30:43 am AEDT<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Baumann <<a href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>>, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [Incubator] Recommend Graduation of Rasdaman from OSGeo Incubation</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm curious how widely used the community version of Rasdaman is? I'm ok with dual licensing, but I want to know that the community version is useful, and used, and that folks who want to contribute new features to it (even though replicating
enterprise features) are readily accepted. The linked page does make the enterprise version sound a lot better which is ok as long as the community version is useful. Any feedback on that would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, I hadn't realized this was intended as a motion since Motion did not appear in the title, or email text. If it is an option motion for the incubation committee it is good to make it very clear. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the nomination Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As this list sees such low traffic/participation we have struggled to reach quorum. I would like to keep this motion open for two weeks (10 business days) to allow members to review and vote.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jody<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:25 PM, Bruce Bannerman <<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Project: Rasdaman <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Project Contact: Peter Baumann<br>
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Project Mentor: Bruce Bannerman<br>
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Recommendation: Rasdaman to Graduate from OSGeo Incubation<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Incubation Checklist: <a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist" target="_blank">
http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Comments:<br>
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I have been monitoring and participating in the Rasdaman Community developer and user email lists for over four years. I plan to continue to participate within the community.<br>
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It has been pleasing to see how the community has evolved over this time to develop effective, open and robust processes.
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I recommend to other FOSS4G communities to review what has been done, as you may well find that Rasdaman offers a compelling solution for the management of multi-dimensional array or gridded data that your project may be able to capitalise on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A summary of community activity may be found at: <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman" target="_blank">
https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman</a> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Key project members are active within both OSGeo and the OGC.<br>
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Within the OGC they have successfully guided a range of standards to support mutltidimensional array (gridded) data which have culminated (currently) in Web Coverage Service version 2.0 and a suite of extensions, see:
<a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs" target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs</a><br>
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The project's principal, Professor Peter Baumann was also recently awarded OGC's prestigious Kenneth D Gardels award for his contributions to OGC.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After having participated within the community for four years and having reviewed their OSGeo Project Graduation Checklist, I believe that Rasdaman Community have fulfilled the requirements of OSGeo Incubation and are eligible to graduate
as an OSGeo Project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only reservation that I have is over the dual licensing model that is used by the sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH. See:
<a href="http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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There are two versions: Community (GPL and LGPL) and Enterprise (free from GPL constraints).<br>
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The main difference between the two versions is summarised at: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features" target="_blank">
http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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This dual licensing may create a problem for the Rasdaman Community in the future should Rasdaman GmbH decide to sell its stake in the Rasdaman Enterprise version of the software. We have already seen a similar situation arise after the sale of MySQL which
was similarly licensed. <br>
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However as the community edition of the software is released under open source licenses, I expect that the main impact would be to the continuity of the Rasdaman Community in its current form. In the event of a sale, we may see the software forked, as happened
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