<div dir="ltr">I understand Cameron,<div><br></div><div>We may indeed end up tabling the motion, I just want to avoid dragging things on due to indecision on how to run meetings / motions on email list.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Aside: Your single -1 vote would be fine, Bruce could then make another motion when it appears the project is in position to answer your questions.</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Jody,<br>
For the record, I provided comprehensive review comments which I
feel need to be addressed before rasdaman should be considered ready
for incubation.<br>
While I think rasdaman is close, I'm -1 on graduation until these
comments have been addressed.<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 19/10/2014 8:30 am, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi
Peter and Bruce,<br>
I've reviewed the incubation documentation provided, and provided
a few spot reviews of the referenced documentation.<br>
Overall, I think the documentation is in good shape, but missing
explanations, particularly around licenses and testing.<br>
<br>
<br>
Below are a few things that I'd like to see looked into before
final sign off:<br>
<br>
Looking at: <a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
which provides the summary about how the project is ready to
complete graduation.<br>
<br>
* For each statement that you are addressing, please add a brief
sentence explaining HOW you are addressing the statement, possibly
also with an OPINION.<br>
For instance, currently for: "Open communication channels", you
have "see MailingLists".<br>
In reviewing, I can see that a mailing list has been set up. In
looking at the list, I see users are asked questions on the user
list and there are answers. I can see that auto-patch messages are
being pumped into the developers list. In my quick scan, I can't
see discussions between developers about a new feature, and
discussions about a design idea. So I'd suggest describing how
communication is happening. Maybe:<br>
"See MailingLists <URL>. User questions are typically
addressed on the user email list. Development is currently mostly
happening at Jacobs University, and discussions about development
typically happen in person, and the results of such conversations
are summarised onto the developer email list (or ...)."<br>
<br>
* For "Open Source License": I'd be hoping to see a statement
about the dual license, including a comment about the enterprise
license. I'm ok with the dual license concept which I think fits
with OSGeo principles. Further, from the material and links
provided, it seems plausible that the GPL license terms are broken
by LGPL and enterprise licensed products being distributed.<br>
I feel there needs to be an explanation of the enterprise license,
and then about how LGPL products and enterprise products don't
need to be GPL (because they don't link in any GPL libraries?).<br>
<br>
* "<i>Long term viability</i>": <br>
Sentence needed here discussing roughly how many contributors you
have, (as well as existing reference to patchmanager).<br>
<br>
* <i>Project documentation is available under an open license, as
documented here: Legal</i>: <br>
The referenced "Legal" link doesn't talk about Documentation.
Please reference correct documentation license link.<br>
<br>
* <i><a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal</a></i>
: <br>
Remove references to "... blah-blah ..."<br>
<br>
* " <i>Which includes execution of the testing process before
releasing a stable release: <a href="http://212.201.49.21:35000/" target="_blank">http://212.201.49.21:35000/</a>"</i>
:<br>
Link requires user log in. A sentence explaining testing will
help here.<br>
<br>
* "<i>All patches submitted to the repository undergo review
before being applied to the code base: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager</a></i>"
: <br>
This doesn't confirm that patches are reviewed (by a person), only
that you use patchmanager.<br>
<br>
* "<i>Systemtests are to be run by developers before submitting
patches: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide</a></i>"
: <br>
This code guide is good, but on my first pass, I can't see any
reference to testing processes. How do you verify that all code is
tested? Ideally reference continual integration or similar.<br>
<br>
* Link to <i><a href="http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest</a></i>
is broken. I'm looking for evidence of testing processes,
including unit testing, continuous integration, and a system
testing plan which is executed. <br>
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</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 30/10/2014 7:23 am, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We are running into the end of our 10 business days
- if you have not already done so please take this opportunity
to review Bruce's recommendation, and the documentation provided
by the Rasdaman community.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div>Jody Garnett</div>
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<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Jody
Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks for the nomination Bruce.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As this list sees such low traffic/participation we
have struggled to reach quorum. I would like to keep
this motion open for two weeks (10 business days) to
allow members to review and vote.</div>
<div>
<div>--</div>
<div>Jody</div>
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<div>Jody Garnett</div>
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<div>On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:25 PM,
Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Project: Rasdaman <br>
<br>
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Project Contact: Peter Baumann<br>
<br>
Project Mentor: Bruce Bannerman<br>
<br>
<br>
Recommendation: Rasdaman to Graduate from
OSGeo Incubation<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>Incubation Checklist: <a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
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Comments:<br>
<br>
I have been monitoring and participating in the
Rasdaman Community developer and user email
lists for over four years. I plan to continue to
participate within the community.<br>
<br>
It has been pleasing to see how the community
has evolved over this time to develop effective,
open and robust processes. <br>
<br>
I recommend to other FOSS4G communities to
review what has been done, as you may well find
that Rasdaman offers a compelling solution for
the management of multi-dimensional array or
gridded data that your project may be able to
capitalise on.<br>
<br>
<div>A summary of community activity may be
found at: <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman</a>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
Key project members are active within both OSGeo
and the OGC.<br>
<br>
Within the OGC they have successfully guided a
range of standards to support mutltidimensional
array (gridded) data which have culminated
(currently) in Web Coverage Service version 2.0
and a suite of extensions, see: <a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs" target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs</a><br>
<br>
The project's principal, Professor Peter Baumann
was also recently awarded OGC's prestigious
Kenneth D Gardels award for his contributions to
OGC.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>After having participated within the
community for four years and having reviewed
their OSGeo Project Graduation Checklist, I
believe that Rasdaman Community have fulfilled
the requirements of OSGeo Incubation and are
eligible to graduate as an OSGeo Project.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
</div>
The only reservation that I have is over the
dual licensing model that is used by the
sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH. See: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php</a>
<div style="width:16px;min-height:16px;display:inline-block"> </div>
<br>
<br>
There are two versions: Community (GPL and LGPL)
and Enterprise (free from GPL constraints).<br>
<br>
The main difference between the two versions is
summarised at: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features</a>
<div style="width:16px;min-height:16px;display:inline-block"> </div>
<br>
<br>
This dual licensing may create a problem for the
Rasdaman Community in the future should Rasdaman
GmbH decide to sell its stake in the Rasdaman
Enterprise version of the software. We have
already seen a similar situation arise after the
sale of MySQL which was similarly licensed. <br>
<br>
However as the community edition of the software
is released under open source licenses, I expect
that the main impact would be to the continuity
of the Rasdaman Community in its current form.
In the event of a sale, we may see the software
forked, as happened with MySQL.<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For consideration and vote.
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