<div dir="ltr">I understand Cameron,<div><br></div><div>We may indeed end up tabling the motion, I just want to avoid dragging things on due to indecision on how to run meetings / motions on email list.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Aside: Your single -1 vote would be fine, Bruce could then make another motion when it appears the project is in position to answer your questions.</div><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    Jody,<br>
    For the record, I provided comprehensive review comments which I
    feel need to be addressed before rasdaman should be considered ready
    for incubation.<br>
    While I think rasdaman is close, I'm -1 on graduation until these
    comments have been addressed.<div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 19/10/2014 8:30 am, Cameron Shorter
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">Hi
      Peter and Bruce,<br>
      I've reviewed the incubation documentation provided, and provided
      a few spot reviews of the referenced documentation.<br>
      Overall, I think the documentation is in good shape, but missing
      explanations, particularly around licenses and testing.<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      Below are a few things that I'd like to see looked into before
      final sign off:<br>
      <br>
      Looking at: <a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
      which provides the summary about how the project is ready to
      complete graduation.<br>
      <br>
      * For each statement that you are addressing, please add a brief
      sentence explaining HOW you are addressing the statement, possibly
      also with an OPINION.<br>
      For instance, currently for: "Open communication channels", you
      have "see MailingLists".<br>
      In reviewing, I can see that a mailing list has been set up. In
      looking at the list, I see users are asked questions on the user
      list and there are answers. I can see that auto-patch messages are
      being pumped into the developers list. In my quick scan, I can't
      see discussions between developers about a new feature, and
      discussions about a design idea. So I'd suggest describing how
      communication is happening. Maybe:<br>
      "See MailingLists <URL>. User questions are typically
      addressed on the user email list. Development is currently mostly
      happening at Jacobs University, and discussions about development
      typically happen in person, and the results of such conversations
      are summarised onto the developer email list (or ...)."<br>
      <br>
      * For "Open Source License": I'd be hoping to see a statement
      about the dual license, including a comment about the enterprise
      license. I'm ok with the dual license concept which I think fits
      with OSGeo principles.  Further, from the material and links
      provided, it seems plausible that the GPL license terms are broken
      by LGPL and enterprise licensed products being distributed.<br>
      I feel there needs to be an explanation of the enterprise license,
      and then about how LGPL products and enterprise products don't
      need to be GPL (because they don't link in any GPL libraries?).<br>
      <br>
      * "<i>Long term viability</i>": <br>
      Sentence needed here discussing roughly how many contributors you
      have, (as well as existing reference to patchmanager).<br>
      <br>
      * <i>Project documentation is available under an open license, as
        documented here: Legal</i>: <br>
      The referenced "Legal" link doesn't talk about Documentation.
      Please reference correct documentation license link.<br>
      <br>
      * <i><a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal</a></i>
      : <br>
      Remove references to "... blah-blah ..."<br>
      <br>
      * " <i>Which includes execution of the testing process before
        releasing a stable release:  <a href="http://212.201.49.21:35000/" target="_blank">http://212.201.49.21:35000/</a>"</i>
      :<br>
       Link requires user log in. A sentence explaining testing will
      help here.<br>
      <br>
      * "<i>All patches submitted to the repository undergo review
        before being applied to the code base: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager</a></i>"
      : <br>
      This doesn't confirm that patches are reviewed (by a person), only
      that you use patchmanager.<br>
      <br>
      * "<i>Systemtests are to be run by developers before submitting
        patches: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide</a></i>"
      : <br>
      This code guide is good, but on my first pass, I can't see any
      reference to testing processes. How do you verify that all code is
      tested? Ideally reference continual integration or similar.<br>
      <br>
      * Link to   <i><a href="http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest</a></i> 
      is broken. I'm looking for evidence of testing processes,
      including unit testing, continuous integration, and a system
      testing plan which is executed. <br>
      <br>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    </div></div><div><div class="h5"><div>On 30/10/2014 7:23 am, Jody Garnett
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="ltr">We are running into the end of our 10 business days
        - if you have not already done so please take this opportunity
        to review Bruce's recommendation, and the documentation provided
        by the Rasdaman community.</div>
      <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
        <div>
          <div dir="ltr">
            <div>Jody Garnett</div>
          </div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12 AM, Jody
          Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">Thanks for the nomination Bruce.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>As this list sees such low traffic/participation we
                have struggled to reach quorum. I would like to keep
                this motion open for two weeks (10 business days) to
                allow members to review and vote.</div>
              <div>
                <div>--</div>
                <div>Jody</div>
              </div>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra"><span><font color="#888888"><br clear="all">
                  <div>
                    <div dir="ltr">
                      <div>Jody Garnett</div>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                  <br>
                </font></span>
              <div class="gmail_quote">
                <div>
                  <div>On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 10:25 PM,
                    Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com" target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div><br>
                          Project:                    Rasdaman <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        Project Contact:       Peter Baumann<br>
                        <br>
                        Project Mentor:        Bruce Bannerman<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Recommendation:   Rasdaman to Graduate from
                        OSGeo Incubation<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div>Incubation Checklist:  <a href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist" target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
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                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        Comments:<br>
                        <br>
                        I have been monitoring and participating in the
                        Rasdaman Community developer and user email
                        lists for over four years. I plan to continue to
                        participate within the community.<br>
                        <br>
                        It has been pleasing to see how the community
                        has evolved over this time to develop effective,
                        open and robust processes. <br>
                        <br>
                        I recommend to other FOSS4G communities to
                        review what has been done, as you may well find
                        that Rasdaman offers a compelling solution for
                        the management of multi-dimensional array or
                        gridded data that your project may be able to
                        capitalise on.<br>
                        <br>
                        <div>A summary of community activity may be
                          found at: <a href="https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman</a>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        Key project members are active within both OSGeo
                        and the OGC.<br>
                        <br>
                        Within the OGC they have successfully guided a
                        range of standards to support mutltidimensional
                        array (gridded) data which have culminated
                        (currently) in Web Coverage Service version 2.0
                        and a suite of extensions, see: <a href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs" target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs</a><br>
                        <br>
                        The project's principal, Professor Peter Baumann
                        was also recently awarded OGC's prestigious
                        Kenneth D Gardels award for his contributions to
                        OGC.<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div>After having participated within the
                          community for four years and having reviewed
                          their OSGeo Project Graduation Checklist, I
                          believe that Rasdaman Community have fulfilled
                          the requirements of OSGeo Incubation and are
                          eligible to graduate as an OSGeo Project.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        The only reservation that I have is over the
                        dual licensing model that is used by the
                        sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH. See: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php</a>
                        <div style="width:16px;min-height:16px;display:inline-block"> </div>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        There are two versions: Community (GPL and LGPL)
                        and Enterprise (free from GPL constraints).<br>
                        <br>
                        The main difference between the two versions is
                        summarised at: <a href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features</a>
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                        <br>
                        <br>
                        This dual licensing may create a problem for the
                        Rasdaman Community in the future should Rasdaman
                        GmbH decide to sell its stake in the Rasdaman
                        Enterprise version of the software. We have
                        already seen a similar situation arise after the
                        sale of MySQL which was similarly licensed. <br>
                        <br>
                        However as the community edition of the software
                        is released under open source licenses, I expect
                        that the main impact would be to the continuity
                        of the Rasdaman Community in its current form.
                        In the event of a sale, we may see the software
                        forked, as happened with MySQL.<br>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>For consideration and vote.
                          <div>
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                        <span><font color="#888888"><span><font color="#888888">
                                <div>Bruce<br>
                                </div>
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