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Hi Cameron,<br>
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see inline for the individual responses:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/18/2014 11:30 PM, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
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Hi Peter and Bruce,<br>
I've reviewed the incubation documentation provided, and provided
a few spot reviews of the referenced documentation.<br>
Overall, I think the documentation is in good shape, but missing
explanations, particularly around licenses and testing.<br>
<br>
<br>
Below are a few things that I'd like to see looked into before
final sign off:<br>
<br>
Looking at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
which provides the summary about how the project is ready to
complete graduation.<br>
<br>
* For each statement that you are addressing, please add a brief
sentence explaining HOW you are addressing the statement, possibly
also with an OPINION.<br>
For instance, currently for: "Open communication channels", you
have "see MailingLists".<br>
In reviewing, I can see that a mailing list has been set up. In
looking at the list, I see users are asked questions on the user
list and there are answers. I can see that auto-patch messages are
being pumped into the developers list. In my quick scan, I can't
see discussions between developers about a new feature, and
discussions about a design idea. So I'd suggest describing how
communication is happening. Maybe:<br>
"See MailingLists <URL>. User questions are typically
addressed on the user email list. Development is currently mostly
happening at Jacobs University, and discussions about development
typically happen in person, and the results of such conversations
are summarised onto the developer email list (or ...)."<br>
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<br>
OK, we will try adding something I have never seen such a thing on
any of the graduation reports, and neither is this required by the
questionnaire.<br>
Hence, can you help us by providing an example project showing what
OSGeo expects?<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5442DC05.2030104@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
* For "Open Source License": I'd be hoping to see a statement
about the dual license, including a comment about the enterprise
license. I'm ok with the dual license concept which I think fits
with OSGeo principles. Further, from the material and links
provided, it seems plausible that the GPL license terms are broken
by LGPL and enterprise licensed products being distributed.<br>
I feel there needs to be an explanation of the enterprise license,
and then about how LGPL products and enterprise products don't
need to be GPL (because they don't link in any GPL libraries?).<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Available - there is even a dedicated page on this, just follow the
link:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/License">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/License</a><br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5442DC05.2030104@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
* "<i>Long term viability</i>": <br>
Sentence needed here discussing roughly how many contributors you
have, (as well as existing reference to patchmanager).<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Patchmanager is the source for the information on this, just choose
"all" to see all contributors.<br>
Hm, not sure what else would need to be added.<br>
<br>
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* <i>Project documentation is available under an open license, as
documented here: Legal</i>: <br>
The referenced "Legal" link doesn't talk about Documentation.
Please reference correct documentation license link.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
oops, that should read "License" - fixed now. Good catch!<br>
<br>
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* <i><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal</a></i>
: <br>
Remove references to "... blah-blah ..."<br>
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<br>
why? ;-) cannot see much relevance for incubation as long as even
industry does not complain. But we are getting lost in details,
admittedly.<br>
<br>
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* " <i>Which includes execution of the testing process before
releasing a stable release: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://212.201.49.21:35000/">http://212.201.49.21:35000/</a>"</i>
:<br>
Link requires user log in. A sentence explaining testing will
help here.<br>
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* "<i>All patches submitted to the repository undergo review
before being applied to the code base: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager">http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager</a></i>"
: <br>
This doesn't confirm that patches are reviewed (by a person), only
that you use patchmanager.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
ok, added "human".<br>
<br>
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* "<i>Systemtests are to be run by developers before submitting
patches: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide</a></i>"
: <br>
This code guide is good, but on my first pass, I can't see any
reference to testing processes. How do you verify that all code is
tested? Ideally reference continual integration or similar.<br>
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<br>
We verify automatically by running a test against each patch; the
outcome is documented next to each patch once the test run has
finished. This is quite a new feature, though, and - as you have
spotted - not all is in place yet. <br>
The page is: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/RasdamanTestSuites">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/RasdamanTestSuites</a><br>
<br>
<blockquote cite="mid:5442DC05.2030104@gmail.com" type="cite"> <br>
* Link to <i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest">http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest</a></i>
is broken. I'm looking for evidence of testing processes,
including unit testing, continuous integration, and a system
testing plan which is executed. <br>
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<br>
sorry for the broken link, fixed that:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/RasdamanTestSuites">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/RasdamanTestSuites</a><br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
Peter<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/10/2014 4:25 pm, Bruce
Bannerman wrote:<br>
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Project: Rasdaman <br>
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Project Contact: Peter Baumann<br>
<br>
Project Mentor: Bruce Bannerman<br>
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Recommendation: Rasdaman to Graduate from OSGeo Incubation<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>Incubation Checklist: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
target="_blank">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
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Comments:<br>
<br>
I have been monitoring and participating in the Rasdaman
Community developer and user email lists for over four years.
I plan to continue to participate within the community.<br>
<br>
It has been pleasing to see how the community has evolved over
this time to develop effective, open and robust processes. <br>
<br>
I recommend to other FOSS4G communities to review what has
been done, as you may well find that Rasdaman offers a
compelling solution for the management of multi-dimensional
array or gridded data that your project may be able to
capitalise on.<br>
<br>
<div>A summary of community activity may be found at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman" target="_blank">https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman</a>
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Key project members are active within both OSGeo and the OGC.<br>
<br>
Within the OGC they have successfully guided a range of
standards to support mutltidimensional array (gridded) data
which have culminated (currently) in Web Coverage Service
version 2.0 and a suite of extensions, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs"
target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs</a><br>
<br>
The project's principal, Professor Peter Baumann was also
recently awarded OGC's prestigious Kenneth D Gardels award for
his contributions to OGC.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>After having participated within the community for four
years and having reviewed their OSGeo Project Graduation
Checklist, I believe that Rasdaman Community have fulfilled
the requirements of OSGeo Incubation and are eligible to
graduate as an OSGeo Project.<br>
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The only reservation that I have is over the dual licensing
model that is used by the sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH.
See: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php"
target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php</a>
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;display:inline-block"> </div>
<br>
<br>
There are two versions: Community (GPL and LGPL) and
Enterprise (free from GPL constraints).<br>
<br>
The main difference between the two versions is summarised at:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features" target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features</a>
<div style="width:16px;height:16px;display:inline-block"> </div>
<br>
<br>
This dual licensing may create a problem for the Rasdaman
Community in the future should Rasdaman GmbH decide to sell
its stake in the Rasdaman Enterprise version of the software.
We have already seen a similar situation arise after the sale
of MySQL which was similarly licensed. <br>
<br>
However as the community edition of the software is released
under open source licenses, I expect that the main impact
would be to the continuity of the Rasdaman Community in its
current form. In the event of a sale, we may see the software
forked, as happened with MySQL.<br>
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<div>For consideration and vote.
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Incubator mailing list
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator">http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/incubator</a></pre>
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Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009
P +61 2 9009 5000, W <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.lisasoft.com">www.lisasoft.com</a>, F +61 2 9009 5099</pre>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a>
mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>
tel: +49-421-200-3178, fax: +49-421-200-493178
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a>, mail: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax: 0800-rasdafax, mobile: +49-173-5837882
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