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Bruce, Dirk,<br>
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we are fully aware that many tasks are still ahead of us. While
rasdaman is the most advanced Array DBMS (all others are lab
prototypes as of yet) we strive to satisfy the increasing wave of
requirements posed. Just to give an idea, in the last year alone we
have been able to close about 650 tickets. <br>
<br>
Now, speaking for myself, in the case on hand, some items I
understand and others not entirely. For example, scalability is
compared to what tool, is it based on a systematic benchmark? WCPS
error handling has been an issue in the past indeed, and in response
we have written an entirely new parser which specifically improves
error management dramatically. Has this version been seen? Note that
Dirk says "issues encountered in phase 1" so I believe this has not
been reassessed with rasdaman 9.<br>
<br>
Again, we gladly take up any helpful criticism, and of course
acknowledge that more work is coming down the road. We won't be
jobless so soon :)<br>
<br>
HTH,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/21/2014 10:07 PM, <a
class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>
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<div>Dirk,</div>
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<div>Many thanks for your observations and for your willingness to
share these thoughts publicly.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I note your concerns.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>I assume that these concerns can be resolved within the
community edition in time, should the Rasdaman community wish to
address them.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>@Peter, </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Would you like to comment on this on behalf of the Project
Steering Committee?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>@Dirk,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Would you like to comment on the usefulness of the current
version of the Rasdaman Community edition to address the use
cases that you have identified to date?</div>
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</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Bruce<br>
<br>
<br>
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On 22 Oct 2014, at 12:14 am, Daems Dirk <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dirk.daems@vito.be">dirk.daems@vito.be</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Our
group is part of the remote sensing department of VITO,
a Flemish research institute. We are using the Rasdaman
community edition in an ESA GSTP project (the ‘ESE’
project) in which we want to evaluate Rasdaman to:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">allow
expert users to prototype new biophysical parameters
using the WCPS query language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">generate
time-series of biophysical parameter values for
pre-defined regions and user-defined regions, also using
the WCPS query language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We
believe that Rasdaman should improve in a number of
domains before using it beyond our proof of concept
project:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Scalability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
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"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Null-value
support</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Error
handling, in particular for WCPS queries. In my opinion,
this is extremely important for users who start learning
the language.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Quality
of implementation of new features: e.g. recently
implemented parallel data import but also others …</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Out-of-the
box WMS with support for time-slicing so no need to
duplicate data</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Despite
the shortcomings listed above I must say the Rasdaman
community team was always eager to help when we
experienced problems. Many thanks for that! I hope this
input will help to make Rasdaman a better tool.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dirk
Daems<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">VITO<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="EN-US"> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> dinsdag 21 oktober 2014 3:36<br>
<b>To:</b> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>>;
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [rasdaman-users] Fwd: [Incubator]
Recommend Graduation of Rasdaman from OSGeo
Incubation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Rasdaman Community,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Can I please get an indication of how
many people or organisations are using the community
edition of Rasdaman?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">A simple reply to this email sent to
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com">
rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a> with a brief
description of your use and how you are finding the
functionality of the open source version of the
application will suffice.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This information is required to
support the current OSGeo Incubation Committee's
assessment of Rasdaman as they consider a motion for
Rasdaman to graduate from the graduation process.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I will direct the committee to your
responses.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'd appreciate it if we could get
responses in the next 48 hours.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Bruce<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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Begin forwarded message:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b>From:</b>
Frank Warmerdam <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:warmerdam@pobox.com">warmerdam@pobox.com</a>><br>
<b>Date:</b> 21 October 2014 10:30:43 am AEDT<br>
<b>To:</b> Peter Baumann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>>,
Bruce Bannerman <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [Incubator] Recommend
Graduation of Rasdaman from OSGeo Incubation</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Bruce / Peter,<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I'm curious how widely used the
community version of Rasdaman is? I'm ok with
dual licensing, but I want to know that the
community version is useful, and used, and that
folks who want to contribute new features to it
(even though replicating enterprise features) are
readily accepted. The linked page does make the
enterprise version sound a lot better which is ok
as long as the community version is useful. Any
feedback on that would be helpful.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also, I hadn't realized this
was intended as a motion since Motion did not
appear in the title, or email text. If it is an
option motion for the incubation committee it is
good to make it very clear. <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Frank<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 7:12
AM, Jody Garnett <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for the nomination
Bruce.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">As this list sees such low
traffic/participation we have struggled to
reach quorum. I would like to keep this motion
open for two weeks (10 business days) to allow
members to review and vote.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jody<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span class="hoenzb"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888">Jody Garnett</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at
10:25 PM, Bruce Bannerman <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
target="_blank">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Project: Rasdaman
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Project
Contact: Peter Baumann<br>
<br>
Project Mentor: Bruce Bannerman<br>
<br>
<br>
Recommendation: Rasdaman to Graduate
from OSGeo Incubation<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Incubation
Checklist: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
target="_blank">
http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Comments:<br>
<br>
I have been monitoring and
participating in the Rasdaman
Community developer and user email
lists for over four years. I plan to
continue to participate within the
community.<br>
<br>
It has been pleasing to see how the
community has evolved over this time
to develop effective, open and robust
processes. <br>
<br>
I recommend to other FOSS4G
communities to review what has been
done, as you may well find that
Rasdaman offers a compelling solution
for the management of
multi-dimensional array or gridded
data that your project may be able to
capitalise on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A summary of
community activity may be found at:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman"
target="_blank">
https://www.openhub.net/p/rasdaman</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Key
project members are active within both
OSGeo and the OGC.<br>
<br>
Within the OGC they have successfully
guided a range of standards to support
mutltidimensional array (gridded) data
which have culminated (currently) in
Web Coverage Service version 2.0 and a
suite of extensions, see: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs"
target="_blank">http://www.opengeospatial.org/standards/wcs</a><br>
<br>
The project's principal, Professor
Peter Baumann was also recently
awarded OGC's prestigious Kenneth D
Gardels award for his contributions to
OGC.<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After having
participated within the community
for four years and having reviewed
their OSGeo Project Graduation
Checklist, I believe that Rasdaman
Community have fulfilled the
requirements of OSGeo Incubation and
are eligible to graduate as an OSGeo
Project.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The only
reservation that I have is over the
dual licensing model that is used by
the sponsoring company, Rasdaman GmbH.
See: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php"
target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.com/Product/commercial+free.php</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
There are two versions: Community (GPL
and LGPL) and Enterprise (free from
GPL constraints).<br>
<br>
The main difference between the two
versions is summarised at: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features"
target="_blank">
http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Features</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
This dual licensing may create a
problem for the Rasdaman Community in
the future should Rasdaman GmbH decide
to sell its stake in the Rasdaman
Enterprise version of the software. We
have already seen a similar situation
arise after the sale of MySQL which
was similarly licensed. <br>
<br>
However as the community edition of
the software is released under open
source licenses, I expect that the
main impact would be to the continuity
of the Rasdaman Community in its
current form. In the event of a sale,
we may see the software forked, as
happened with MySQL.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For consideration
and vote.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#888888">Bruce<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dr. Peter Baumann
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs University Bremen
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- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB 26793)
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