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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/01/2015 9:11 pm, Massimiliano
Cannata wrote:<br>
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type="cite">Hi Cameron,<br>
thanks for the answer<span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">,
but in my opinion it doesn't address the issue.</span>
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<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">Of course I
could anticipate and do all the work that is needed to
graduate, but generally I like to proceed following the
workflow: first approve, then provide docs for graduation.</span><br>
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<div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the incubation procedure il
clear and simple:</div>
<div>1) open a ticket (or fill a form)</div>
<div>2) incubation committee shall vote based on that information</div>
<div>3) incubation committee shall make a motion to the board to
ratify the vote</div>
<div>4) the project is officially in incubation</div>
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Yes, this is correct.<br>
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<div>So why it get stacked, and even after several remainder from
my side it didn't move on?</div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">What about other projects? </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">This is the same for everyone? </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">What is the procedure the
committee is following?</span><br>
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I don't have a definitive answer, but can offer some observations.<br>
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* I've briefly searched for IstSOS incubation documents. From the
few documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still relatively
immature. The effort required to take a project through incubation
is high, for both the mentor, the committee, and also the project.
As such, there may be some un-voiced reluctance to bring IstSOS into
incubation.<br>
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* In the last 9 years, OSGeo has matured. We have built a
comprehensive collection of stable projects. There have been many
great initiatives put in place which is great, but there is ongoing
effort required to maintain all these initiatives - such as keeping
the incubation process going.<br>
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* You may have noticed that OSGeo committees are largely
under-staffed with volunteers.<br>
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* There is often an expectation that volunteer committees should do
xxx or yyyy. However, the people doing the expecting, don't go as
far as to volunteer their time to work on the committee.<br>
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* The good news is that it is possible to achieve a lot, with just a
bit of sustained effort applied to one initiative or another.<br>
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* If you are wanting to start incubation just to gain an incubation
status then you might be doing it for the wrong reasons. The real
benefit of completing incubation is that you will be ensuring that
you have a sustainable project, and people will believe in it.<br>
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* So, if you would like to push IstSOS through incubation, I'd
suggest make it very easy for IstSOS to complete incubation (by
starting).<br>
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* A starting point would be considering incorporating istSOS on
OSGeo-Live or in UbuntuGIS.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive</a><br>
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* That said, it would be good to have an incubation committee
meeting, and add discussion of IstSOS to the agenda. Any comment
Jody?<br>
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<div>I'm asking this because I understand that <span
style="line-height:1.5">incubation is important for OSGeo. <br>
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Yes.<br>
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<div>Or do projects have to ask Location Tech or Apache Software
Foundation for incubation?</div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">And Incubation then could not
be any more an OSGeo mission...</span></div>
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<div><span style="line-height:1.5">Maxi</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno Sun Jan 25 2015 at 12:31:03 PM
Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Massimiliano,<br>
Yes, it is disappointing that istsos hasn't progressed into
incubation yet.<br>
It seems to have slipped off the radar.<br>
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I have a few suggestions:<br>
1. Even if not in incubation, there is nothing stopping a
project starting to put OSGeo processes in place, and
filling out incubation documentation. Once you are in
incubation, this will make incubation much faster. And you
will likely find the incubation committee much more likely
to help push your project through incubation if your project
is already mature. (OSGeo-Live is not officially in
incubation, however, we have been filling out our incubation
checklist).<br>
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2. If you do want to move into incubation, I suggest getting
all your documentation in order, and include references to
it, such that it can easily be built into a motion that the
incubation committee can vote on. If Arnulf is your mentor,
he should be able to help with that.<br>
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<div>On 25/01/2015 3:58 am, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear incubation committee, <br>
I'm embarassed in writing this email...</p>
<p dir="ltr">but after a very very long waiting I have to
complain for the treatment the istsos software is
receiving. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Is the same for all the software or just this
project is not considered? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Almost one year ago I apply for entering
incubation, the committee asks me to follow the
procedure with form.. Then ticket.. And I fill
everything. </p>
<p dir="ltr">The committee said we need a mentor, Arnulf
volunteered, and the committee, I think, voted
approving istsos to pass in incubation. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Then?.... Nothing... And one year is passed!
</p>
<p dir="ltr">I think the committee shall make a motion to
the board to approve the decision, but it never
happened.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The result? Istsos is not in incubation: not
in the website nor in any talk I have followed. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Why making a motion is so difficult? </p>
<p dir="ltr">If this is the treatment for new software
approaching our community I believe something does not
work at all! </p>
<p dir="ltr">I know people are volunteer and not paid,
but the welcome steps are minimal: reading a page, vote,
and make a motion. </p>
<p dir="ltr">If we get stack here, and after several
remainders from my side, this is really discouraging.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sorry for this email.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Massimiliano <br>
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