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Hi Maxi,<br>
I don't remember what was discussed when istSOS applied for
incubation.<br>
Like you, I was under the impression that projects normally get
officially voted into incubation, but I can't find any documentation
describing that part of our incubation process. Seems to be an
oversight. <br>
<br>
I'm unaware of anyone deliberately stopping istSOS going through
incubation. <br>
<br>
That said, it doesn't stop you going through the motions of
incubation. <br>
<br>
I could say more, but Arnulf has said it already. Thanks Arnulf.<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/01/2015 2:14 am, Massimiliano
Cannata wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:CAMKYQEuFtnFp_aKhRqDo1wbCRk8QyVMQ73Z6RBVG18TTiBE-Qg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Cameron,<br>
I think this is really really serous and really bad:
<div>"<span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">From the few
documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is still
relatively immature. The effort required to take a project
through incubation is high, for both the mentor, the
committee, and also the project. As such, there may be some
un-voiced reluctance to bring IstSOS into incubation."</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">What are the "<b>u</b></span><span
style="line-height:19.7999992370605px"><b>n-voiced reluctance</b>"? </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">The </span>committee<span
style="line-height:19.7999992370605px"> should then have voted
against the entrance of istSOS in incubation. </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">Your sentence
sound like if someone </span>on purpose is stopping the
process and <span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">I don't
want to thing so....</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px"><br>
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<div>Maxi</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno Mon Jan 26 2015 at 12:21:58 PM
Cameron Shorter <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:<br>
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<div>On 26/01/2015 9:11 pm, Massimiliano Cannata wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Hi Cameron,<br>
thanks for the answer<span
style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">, but in my
opinion it doesn't address the issue.</span>
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<div><span style="line-height:19.7999992370605px">Of
course I could anticipate and do all the work that is
needed to graduate, but generally I like to proceed
following the workflow: first approve, then provide
docs for graduation.</span><br>
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<div>Correct me if I'm wrong, but the incubation procedure
il clear and simple:</div>
<div>1) open a ticket (or fill a form)</div>
<div>2) incubation committee shall vote based on that
information</div>
<div>3) incubation committee shall make a motion to the
board to ratify the vote</div>
<div>4) the project is officially in incubation</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Yes, this is correct.</div>
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<div>So why it get stacked, and even after several
remainder from my side it didn't move on?</div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">What about other
projects? </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">This is the same for
everyone? </span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">What is the procedure
the committee is following?</span><br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I don't have a
definitive answer, but can offer some observations.<br>
<br>
* I've briefly searched for IstSOS incubation documents.
From the few documents I can see, it appears that IstSOS is
still relatively immature. The effort required to take a
project through incubation is high, for both the mentor, the
committee, and also the project. As such, there may be some
un-voiced reluctance to bring IstSOS into incubation.<br>
<br>
* In the last 9 years, OSGeo has matured. We have built a
comprehensive collection of stable projects. There have been
many great initiatives put in place which is great, but
there is ongoing effort required to maintain all these
initiatives - such as keeping the incubation process going.<br>
<br>
* You may have noticed that OSGeo committees are largely
under-staffed with volunteers.<br>
<br>
* There is often an expectation that volunteer committees
should do xxx or yyyy. However, the people doing the
expecting, don't go as far as to volunteer their time to
work on the committee.<br>
<br>
* The good news is that it is possible to achieve a lot,
with just a bit of sustained effort applied to one
initiative or another.<br>
<br>
* If you are wanting to start incubation just to gain an
incubation status then you might be doing it for the wrong
reasons. The real benefit of completing incubation is that
you will be ensuring that you have a sustainable project,
and people will believe in it.<br>
<br>
* So, if you would like to push IstSOS through incubation,
I'd suggest make it very easy for IstSOS to complete
incubation (by starting).<br>
<br>
* A starting point would be considering incorporating istSOS
on OSGeo-Live or in UbuntuGIS.
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive"
target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive</a><br>
<br>
* That said, it would be good to have an incubation
committee meeting, and add discussion of IstSOS to the
agenda. Any comment Jody?</div>
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<div>I'm asking this because I understand that <span
style="line-height:1.5">incubation is important for
OSGeo. <br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Yes.</div>
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<div>Or do projects have to ask Location Tech or Apache
Software Foundation for incubation?</div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5">And Incubation then
could not be any more an OSGeo mission...</span></div>
<div><span style="line-height:1.5"><br>
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<div><span style="line-height:1.5">Maxi</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il giorno Sun Jan 25 2015 at
12:31:03 PM Cameron Shorter <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com"
target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> ha
scritto:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi
Massimiliano,<br>
Yes, it is disappointing that istsos hasn't
progressed into incubation yet.<br>
It seems to have slipped off the radar.<br>
<br>
I have a few suggestions:<br>
1. Even if not in incubation, there is nothing
stopping a project starting to put OSGeo processes
in place, and filling out incubation documentation.
Once you are in incubation, this will make
incubation much faster. And you will likely find the
incubation committee much more likely to help push
your project through incubation if your project is
already mature. (OSGeo-Live is not officially in
incubation, however, we have been filling out our
incubation checklist).<br>
<br>
2. If you do want to move into incubation, I suggest
getting all your documentation in order, and include
references to it, such that it can easily be built
into a motion that the incubation committee can vote
on. If Arnulf is your mentor, he should be able to
help with that.<br>
<br>
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<div>On 25/01/2015 3:58 am, Massimiliano Cannata
wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Dear incubation committee, <br>
I'm embarassed in writing this email...</p>
<p dir="ltr">but after a very very long waiting I
have to complain for the treatment the istsos
software is receiving. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Is the same for all the software or
just this project is not considered? </p>
<p dir="ltr">Almost one year ago I apply for
entering incubation, the committee asks me to
follow the procedure with form.. Then ticket..
And I fill everything. </p>
<p dir="ltr">The committee said we need a mentor,
Arnulf volunteered, and the committee, I think,
voted approving istsos to pass in incubation. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Then?.... Nothing... And one year is
passed! </p>
<p dir="ltr">I think the committee shall make a
motion to the board to approve the decision, but
it never happened.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The result? Istsos is not in
incubation: not in the website nor in any talk I
have followed. </p>
<p dir="ltr">Why making a motion is so difficult?
</p>
<p dir="ltr">If this is the treatment for new
software approaching our community I believe
something does not work at all! </p>
<p dir="ltr">I know people are volunteer and not
paid, but the welcome steps are minimal:
reading a page, vote, and make a motion. </p>
<p dir="ltr">If we get stack here, and after
several remainders from my side, this is really
discouraging.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Sorry for this email.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Massimiliano <br>
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