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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jody,<br>
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El 10/09/15 a las 22:24, Jody Garnett escribió:<br>
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Yes, I suppose we will have to centre the questions, that anyway
here we have to deal with the issue about if gvSIG accomplishes for
its incubation or not. Independently from the way to interpret
certain issues of the organization/production model of a software
project. <br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> And... I hope new
persons became part of the project day-to-day, they
are welcome. But being sincere, does it happen? I
don't think in it, I don't think that a person
dedicates the 100% of his time to a project
voluntarily. He/she can dedicate partial time
depending on their professional needs related to the
project. In this case, depending on the case, and as
it has been commented, he/she can become part of
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<div>It does happen - and it is what we want to encourage
:) Especially for longer lived projects such as gvSig -
community members may up changing organizations (or
start up their own company etc...).</div>
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Does it happen? It that true? I don't know anyone who dedicates
full-time voluntarily to an open source software project if it
doesn't allow him/her to live off it. If you know anyone... please,
introduce me to him/her. We would be so glad to that he/she joins
gvSIG. <br>
:-P <br>
All joking aside, dedication for an open source software project has
to have an economical interest behind. If your organization works on
gvSIG (or another software), it makes business with gvSIG, you will
be interested in investing time on it. And that's what we look for,
to generate a model that allows people to live and dedicate time
working on free geomatics. <br>
I think voluntarism, as an only sustainability media of a software,
is a vision far from the reality. <br>
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<div>Still it feels like this discussion may slightly
missing what we are wanting to talk about which is
responsibility for gvSig's long term health and
happiness.</div>
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Only a note, I think healthy and happiness of a project mainly
depend on the capacity to work with it, being capable of generating
a business model. <br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> In any case, the
answer to this paragraph is related to the previous
one. Existing of a professional structure (to work
daily). And here I think we can speak about the gvSIG
Association, because you are referring to it as
“single organization”. <br>
The professional structure is part of the gvSIG
Association, that is an association of several
companies, members and collaborators, and non-business
entities that provide public support to the project.
Entities that provide economically to the association
to support that professional team. And they support
because the gvSIG Association generates a business
model around the free geomatics (not only gvSIG) that
becomes a mutual profit. <br>
Association that any entity that want to join to, and
achieve the regulations, can do it. <br>
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<div>If I understand correctly we have a difference
between an associating driving the project, and a
technical team responsible for one of the modules
(called "core").</div>
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<div>So if the Association is where the
action/responsibility are - than that is what we want to
focus on for incubation. <br>
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They are related things. On one side the technical decisions, that
are made as we told. A person who works for an entity that is not at
the gvSIG Association can participate. It's not usual because of the
own dynamics of the organization, but it is possible totally. <br>
The General Assembly (one company, one vote) of the gvSIG
Association makes decisions related to the business model (for
example, they decide how to dedicate the budget of the
organization).<br>
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<div>We want to make it clear how gvSig is "run" and
document how an organization (say a university or
company) can join the gvSIG association.</div>
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If I'm not wrong, the regulations of the gvSIG Association are at
the checklist (they are at the gvSIG website too). <br>
In any case, any entity interested in taking part and achieve them
can do it. In a first level it is a collaborator. And after an
“incubation” time it would be able to become a member within full
rights. Non-business entities are invited by the gvSIG Association
to take part of it as Honour Members. They (opposite of companies)
don't have economical obligations because their objective isn't to
earn money with open source software. <br>
All these issues are not related to the technical part that is
commented here, but as you are interested in it, it's good to
comment it. <br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">It's very
different to a “single organization”. In fact, it's
the guarantee that the project won't be managed by an
only organization, with the risks that it implies
(including the extinction), besides being a safeguard
against the multinationals that try to approach open
source projects with business intentions typical of
the proprietary software. <br>
If we study other open source software projects,
including geomatics, we can see that other projects
became a failure precisely because they only dealt
with the technical part, and a sustainability model
wasn't started up in order to guarantee its
continuity. <br>
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<div>We may just have a different language for the same
effect. In GeoServer we have committers (who do the
technical day to day running of the project) and the
steering committee (made up of developers, biz
representation, and user group members) responsible for
planning and decision making.</div>
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It is possible. We use Geoserver a lot in our projects, but I
haven't investigated the nomenclature and equalisation with gvSIG. <br>
:-) <br>
We also think that the Geoserver case is very interesting, because
if I'm not wrong there're several organizations behind (boundless,
geosolutions,..) where this software is a fundamental part in their
business model, and of course provide resources to it. <br>
As it was said in “The wired”... follow the money track. <br>
:-P<br>
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Alvaro<br>
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