<div dir="ltr">Hi Alvaro<div><br></div><div>You are right, I'm just one voice on the OSGeo Incubation
committee. It would be good to hear the opinion of others as well.<br>
<br>
You are right, writing style is not a graduation criteria, and I'd vote
to pass a project with sub-optimal writing style if the rest of the
processes are in order.<br>
<br>
"Institutionalized Processes which are documented and FOLLOWED" is a
requirement. My concern is that the management processes as documented
are probably not being followed, as they would be difficult to be found by
the development team, and probably not trusted as they don't look to be
of the quality of the rest of the gvsig project.<br>
<br>
Hence my recommendation to incorporate decision making documentation into the rest of gvsig documentation.<br>
<br>
If time to complete is an issue, there are some work around options which I think would be acceptable.<br>
Such as putting a placeholder in your master documentation which
references the wiki page where the core content is. (With an intent to
move the rest of the docs later).<br>
<br>
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on whether you think my
documentation comments are worth implementing, and if so, see a plan as
to how they would be implemented. Ideally also mention a timeframe which
would show how it can be done in time for completing incubation before
the next gvsig conference.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Alvaro Anguix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aanguix@gvsig.com" target="_blank">aanguix@gvsig.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi Cameron, all,<br>
<br>
El 20/10/15 a las 21:07, Cameron Shorter escribió:<br>
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Hi Alvaro,<span class=""><br>
I agree that it would be great to announce gvSIG's graduation from
OSGeo incubation at the gvSIG conference (on 4 Dec?), and I think
it is also achievable, but require a quick turn around. I'd like
to help you with that from the OSGeo Incubation Committee side of
things.<br>
<br>
With regards to the question of quality of documentation of
decision making processes, I do think this is important from an
incubation perspective, and is related to having
"institutionalized processes".<br>
<br>
Refer to:<br>
<a href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
<br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A project should have institutionalized the
processes in this list or provide justification why the process
is not used.<span> <br>
...<br>
<br>
</span></span><dt style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Institutionalized Process</dt>
<dd style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A documented process
which which addresses a need and is actively in use. It
typically takes months before a process becomes
institutionalized.<br>
<i>A more detailed definition of institutionalization is found
in the<span> </span><a href="http://www.sei.cmu.edu/library/abstracts/reports/02tr012.cfm" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102)" target="_blank">Capability
Maturity Model (CMMI)</a></i></dd>
<dt style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Open Source License<br>
</dt>
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<span>I agree</span><span>, but I think</span> <span>the</span> <span>point</span> <span>is made/ok</span><span>. <br>
<br>
</span></span><span lang="en"><span>In</span> <span>your comments</span> <span>of the last</span> <span>email,</span>
<span>you gave</span> <span>advice</span>
about <span>writing style</span> <span>or
the order of</span> <span> documentation</span>
publication (<span>referring to</span> <span>language).</span> <span>Honestly,</span>
<span>I think they are</span> <span></span>
<span>advices and recommendations</span><span></span><span></span><span>,</span> <span>but</span> <span>not a requirement</span>
<span>for</span> <span>graduation. </span><br>
<br>
I<span>s it necessary to</span> <span>comply
with</span> <span>those recommendations</span><span>? </span></span><span lang="en"><span><span lang="en"><span>I would like the</span> <span>committee</span>
<span>clearly</span> <span>answers
this question</span><span>.<br>
<br>
</span></span>Are we not getting into a level of detail that
also is subjective</span></span><span lang="en"><span><span lang="en"><span></span><span></span></span>?<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Alvaro <br>
<br>
</span></span><div><div class="h5">
<blockquote type="cite"> Warm
regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
<div>On 19/10/2015 10:17 pm, Alvaro Anguix
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Cameron, <br>
<br>
About the documentation in Spanish/English, we are finishing
the last translations of the user and developer documentation,
and we will have the 100% of the gvSIG documentation in
Spanish and English (and in Portuguese too). We also are
finishing the migration of the old infrastructure
(<a href="http://docs.gvsig.org" target="_blank">docs.gvsig.org</a>) to the new one. In any case we take all the
suggestions and improvements into account, that we will tackle
as soon as possible. <br>
<br>
Anyway, the doubt that we have is if these suggestions are
requirements for the incubation. We understand that they
aren't requirements for the graduation, but we would like to
confirm it. Mainly because the 11th International gvSIG
Conference will be held soon, and we would like to announce
the graduation previously. <br>
<br>
Thank you very much!<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Alvaro <br>
<br>
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El 16/10/15 a las 22:10, Cameron Shorter escribió:<br>
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Hi Alvaro,<br>
Sorry for the slow response.<br>
<br>
Thanks for your updated principles. I've just reviewed and
here is my feedback:<br>
<br>
I think that you have captured the process of making technical
decisions, which is good. However:<br>
<br>
* The documentation is in a wiki [1], and not presented in the
same prominence as the rest of the gvsig documentation [2].
I'd suggest that your processes should be moved out of the
wiki, and into the same doc system as the rest of the docs,
probably at: <a href="http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/" target="_blank">http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/</a><something><br>
You might want to include the processes as another chapter in
the existing Developers Guide.<br>
A good example you could follow is the GeoServer docs page [3]
which includes "Policies and Procedures".<br>
<br>
* The current text reads a bit like a news article, written
from an outsider's point of view, describing how you have
noticed that decisions are made. What would be better is
writing an authoritative process which gvSig team members
sometimes quote and refer to when making decisions. A news
article becomes dated, a documented process should be useful
for the community, and will get updated over time.<br>
<br>
* The text looks like it has been written by one person, and
hasn't yet been reviewed by other core gvSig members. I'd
suggest that you'd likely get good feedback from your internal
gvSig community if you were to ask:<br>
"Does this text accurately represent how we should make
decisions in the future? Are we as a community prepared to use
this documented process as a guide for our future decisions?"<br>
<br>
* I notice that much of the gvSig documentation is written in
Spanish. I'm not sure, but it is possible you would get better
feedback from your community if this document was written
first in Spanish, and if desired, later translated to English.<br>
<br>
Sorry again for the delayed response, and also for giving you
more homework. I do encourage you to keep going because I
think it would be valuable for the gvsig community.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
[1] <a href="https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki" target="_blank">https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki</a><br>
[2] <a href="http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/" target="_blank">http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/</a><br>
[3] <a href="http://docs.geoserver.org/" target="_blank">http://docs.geoserver.org/</a><br>
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<div>On 8/10/2015 7:19 am, Jody
Garnett wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Alvaro! Recovering from foss4g on this
end, thanks for updating the wiki. I believe we are
getting down to the end here, thanks for the
clarifications.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 1 October 2015 at 05:37,
Alvaro Anguix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aanguix@gvsig.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:aanguix@gvsig.com" target="_blank">aanguix@gvsig.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
Apologies for the delay, but I've been in 2nd gvSIG
Conference in Peru<br>
and I couldn't update the checklist information
before.<br>
Now it's updated: <a href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist</a><br>
<br>
The principal link about technical decisions and gvSIG
organization is this:<br>
<a href="https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki</a><br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Alvaro<br>
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