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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Cameron, all,<br>
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El 20/10/15 a las 22:48, Cameron Shorter escribió:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Alvaro
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<div>You are right, I'm just one voice on the OSGeo Incubation
committee. It would be good to hear the opinion of others as
well.<br>
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We've waited some days to answer in case somebody wanted to add
anything. We suppose that the order members of OSGeo Incubation
Committee agree with you, and that they aren't any other additional
requirements. <br>
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<br>
You are right, writing style is not a graduation criteria, and
I'd vote to pass a project with sub-optimal writing style if
the rest of the processes are in order.<br>
<br>
"Institutionalized Processes which are documented and
FOLLOWED" is a requirement. My concern is that the management
processes as documented are probably not being followed, as
they would be difficult to be found by the development team,
and probably not trusted as they don't look to be of the
quality of the rest of the gvsig project.<br>
<br>
Hence my recommendation to incorporate decision making
documentation into the rest of gvsig documentation.<br>
<br>
If time to complete is an issue, there are some work around
options which I think would be acceptable.<br>
Such as putting a placeholder in your master documentation
which references the wiki page where the core content is.
(With an intent to move the rest of the docs later).<br>
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We finally have copied the contests directly in the documentation
section (better than a placeholder):<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://docs.gvsig.org/plone/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/about-technical-decisions/">http://docs.gvsig.org/plone/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/about-technical-decisions/</a><br>
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At this way all the contents are in the same site.<br>
<br>
In future, we'll migrate all the information to the new gvSIG
website (I hope it will be in the next months). <br>
<br>
We understand that everything is ok to proceed to vote the
graduation of gvSIG project.<br>
<br>
I would like to ask you when it's planned to decide it. I don't
know the procedure of OSGeo Incubation Committee from this point.<br>
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Thanks,<br>
Alvaro<br>
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I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on whether you think
my documentation comments are worth implementing, and if so,
see a plan as to how they would be implemented. Ideally also
mention a timeframe which would show how it can be done in
time for completing incubation before the next gvsig
conference.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Alvaro
Anguix <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>Hi Cameron, all,<br>
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El 20/10/15 a las 21:07, Cameron Shorter escribió:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hi Alvaro,<span class=""><br>
I agree that it would be great to announce gvSIG's
graduation from OSGeo incubation at the gvSIG
conference (on 4 Dec?), and I think it is also
achievable, but require a quick turn around. I'd like
to help you with that from the OSGeo Incubation
Committee side of things.<br>
<br>
With regards to the question of quality of
documentation of decision making processes, I do think
this is important from an incubation perspective, and
is related to having "institutionalized processes".<br>
<br>
Refer to:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html"
target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
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<span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;display:inline!important;float:none;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A
project should have institutionalized the processes
in this list or provide justification why the
process is not used.<span> <br>
...<br>
<br>
</span></span><dt
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Institutionalized
Process</dt>
<dd
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:17.92px;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">A
documented process which which addresses a need and
is actively in use. It typically takes months before
a process becomes institutionalized.<br>
<i>A more detailed definition of
institutionalization is found in the<span> </span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sei.cmu.edu/library/abstracts/reports/02tr012.cfm"
style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102)" target="_blank">Capability
Maturity Model (CMMI)</a></i></dd>
<dt
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Source License<br>
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<span lang="en"><br>
<span>I agree</span><span>, but I think</span> <span>the</span>
<span>point</span> <span>is made/ok</span><span>. <br>
<br>
</span></span><span lang="en"><span>In</span> <span>your
comments</span> <span>of the last</span> <span>email,</span>
<span>you gave</span> <span>advice</span> about <span>writing
style</span> <span>or the order of</span> <span>
documentation</span> publication (<span>referring to</span>
<span>language).</span> <span>Honestly,</span> <span>I
think they are</span> <span></span> <span>advices and
recommendations</span><span></span><span></span><span>,</span>
<span>but</span> <span>not a requirement</span> <span>for</span>
<span>graduation. </span><br>
<br>
I<span>s it necessary to</span> <span>comply with</span>
<span>those recommendations</span><span>? </span></span><span
lang="en"><span><span lang="en"><span>I would like the</span>
<span>committee</span> <span>clearly</span> <span>answers
this question</span><span>.<br>
<br>
</span></span>Are we not getting into a level of
detail that also is subjective</span></span><span
lang="en"><span><span lang="en"><span></span><span></span></span>?<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Alvaro <br>
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<div>On 19/10/2015 10:17 pm, Alvaro Anguix wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi Cameron, <br>
<br>
About the documentation in Spanish/English, we
are finishing the last translations of the user
and developer documentation, and we will have
the 100% of the gvSIG documentation in Spanish
and English (and in Portuguese too). We also are
finishing the migration of the old
infrastructure (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.gvsig.org" target="_blank">docs.gvsig.org</a>)
to the new one. In any case we take all the
suggestions and improvements into account, that
we will tackle as soon as possible. <br>
<br>
Anyway, the doubt that we have is if these
suggestions are requirements for the incubation.
We understand that they aren't requirements for
the graduation, but we would like to confirm it.
Mainly because the 11th International gvSIG
Conference will be held soon, and we would like
to announce the graduation previously. <br>
<br>
Thank you very much!<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Alvaro <br>
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El 16/10/15 a las 22:10, Cameron Shorter
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<blockquote type="cite"> Hi Alvaro,<br>
Sorry for the slow response.<br>
<br>
Thanks for your updated principles. I've just
reviewed and here is my feedback:<br>
<br>
I think that you have captured the process of
making technical decisions, which is good.
However:<br>
<br>
* The documentation is in a wiki [1], and not
presented in the same prominence as the rest of
the gvsig documentation [2]. I'd suggest that
your processes should be moved out of the wiki,
and into the same doc system as the rest of the
docs, probably at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/"
target="_blank">http://docs.gvsig.org/web/projects/gvsig-desktop/docs/</a><something><br>
You might want to include the processes as
another chapter in the existing Developers
Guide.<br>
A good example you could follow is the GeoServer
docs page [3] which includes "Policies and
Procedures".<br>
<br>
* The current text reads a bit like a news
article, written from an outsider's point of
view, describing how you have noticed that
decisions are made. What would be better is
writing an authoritative process which gvSig
team members sometimes quote and refer to when
making decisions. A news article becomes dated,
a documented process should be useful for the
community, and will get updated over time.<br>
<br>
* The text looks like it has been written by one
person, and hasn't yet been reviewed by other
core gvSig members. I'd suggest that you'd
likely get good feedback from your internal
gvSig community if you were to ask:<br>
"Does this text accurately represent how we
should make decisions in the future? Are we as a
community prepared to use this documented
process as a guide for our future decisions?"<br>
<br>
* I notice that much of the gvSig documentation
is written in Spanish. I'm not sure, but it is
possible you would get better feedback from your
community if this document was written first in
Spanish, and if desired, later translated to
English.<br>
<br>
Sorry again for the delayed response, and also
for giving you more homework. I do encourage you
to keep going because I think it would be
valuable for the gvsig community.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
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href="http://docs.geoserver.org/"
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foss4g on this end, thanks for updating the
wiki. I believe we are getting down to the
end here, thanks for the clarifications.</div>
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at 05:37, Alvaro Anguix <span dir="ltr"><<a
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello,<br>
<br>
Apologies for the delay, but I've been
in 2nd gvSIG Conference in Peru<br>
and I couldn't update the checklist
information before.<br>
Now it's updated: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist">http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/GvSIG_Incubation_Checklist</a></a><br>
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The principal link about technical
decisions and gvSIG organization is
this:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://redmine.gvsig.net/redmine/projects/gvsig-desktop/wiki/Wiki</a><br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Alvaro<br>
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