<div dir="ltr">It is slightly more than a badge/marketing Cameron, we are looking to include projects in our software foundation (which has resources to devote to their wellbeing).<div><br></div><div>I am concerned that we are having two conversations here: one about the badge and a second one about inclusion.</div><div><br></div><div>We as an organization demand a few things (open source, no really open source did you check) and open development that may be new to the project teams involved. We also have some requirements around the risk associated with the use of project (user community, documentation, developer maturity, and project viability) which is unusual.</div><div><br></div><div>The badge is a bit of a bike shed problem (accessible to all but a distraction from the discussion).</div><div><br></div><div>I am focused on address the inclusion (so projects like pgRouting can have a home with OSGeo).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 5 February 2016 at 11:28, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    I like Andrea's approach to this question by flipping the problem.<br>
    <br>
    Lets first ask: what is the value from a label such as "OSGeo
    Incubated"? It is a badge of quality which new users can quickly
    recognise to help select projects they might use.<br>
    <br>
    OSGeo-Live provides another badge of quality. OSGeo-Live guarantees
    that a project has been tested and verified to work on the
    OSGeo-Live linux distribution. Its main selection criteria is that
    the project is stable, and the community are willing to keep it
    maintained (with docs and data). OSGeo-Live's selection criteria [1]
    is lower than for OSGeo Incubation, and could be integrated with a
    greater OSGeo badge system.<br>
    <br>
    So what I believe we are looking for is a set of well defined
    project qualities, with each quality earning a badge. Some of these
    qualities can be automatically applied, as generated by OpenHub
    metrics [2].<br>
    Others could be opted into, by the project themselves, similar to
    the OSGeo Advocate categories [3].<br>
    And the harder, but more valued badges are those requiring a manual
    testing process, as provided by the OSGeo Incubation Checklist. [4]
    Note, the value and prestige of this badge is determined by the
    quality insisted upon before the badge is allocated.<br>
    <br>
    [1]
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc#How_to_add_a_project_to_OSGeoLive</a><br>
    [2] <a href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html" target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html</a><br>
    [3]
    <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles</a><br>
    [4]
    <a href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html" target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    <div>On 5/02/2016 7:42 pm, Andrea Aime
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Silly idea maybe, but what if you look at the
        problem at the other way,
        <div>and simply allow projects to show a logo showing they
          symphatize for OSGeo,</div>
        <div>and have them start incubation when they are somehow ready
          to?</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>Steal a page from OGC, one can say they are "implementing"
          a standard without checks (which</div>
        <div>just mean they tried, but also shows support for OGC), and
          then you can go though the</div>
        <div>formal process and get actually certified, if you want to.</div>
        <div><br>
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        <div>Cheers</div>
        <div>Andrea</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 11:21 PM, Jody
          Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
            <div dir="ltr">I will point out that naming is a classic
              bike shed problem. I think we should ask the projects in
              "labs" and get their take on this.</div>
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                        <div>--</div>
                        <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 4 February 2016 at 13:12,
                    Landon Blake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com" target="_blank">sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">I like "Innovator". What about
                        "Community Builder Project"?<span><font color="#888888">
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Landon</div>
                          </font></span></div>
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                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 4, 2016
                              at 12:22 PM, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                <div dir="ltr">I hear you, and you are
                                  correct that innovation can happen
                                  anywhere. I look forward to alternate
                                  name suggestions. "Experiment" would
                                  do a disservice to a completed project
                                  that does not yet have a large/diverse
                                  enough community to meet our
                                  graduation requirements.
                                  <div><br>
                                    <div>My fellow board members were a
                                      bit startled that our incubation
                                      policies do inhibit the support
                                      smaller projects, and would like
                                      an avenue to support innovation.
                                      It may be that both these
                                      objectives cannot be met with the
                                      same initiative, but I would like
                                      to try.</div>
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                                          <div dir="ltr">
                                            <div>--</div>
                                            <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On 3
                                        February 2016 at 23:47, Jeroen
                                        Ticheler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" target="_blank"></a><a href="mailto:jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net" target="_blank">jeroen.ticheler@geocat.net</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
                                          Jody,<br>
                                          I understand the naming
                                          confusion. The Innovator name
                                          however has IMO a negative
                                          reflection on the established
                                          projects. Are new projects
                                          necessarily more innovative
                                          than established ones? Often
                                          they are still so small they
                                          don't have established
                                          communities/structures etc in
                                          place. That's indeed why the
                                          Labs were created.<br>
                                          I will think about another
                                          potential name and I hope
                                          others feel the same and will
                                          also think of an alternative
                                          naming for the Labs. I
                                          remember you saying something
                                          like Hatching (synonym of
                                          incubating, so maybe to co
                                          fusing).<br>
                                          Maybe OSGeo Experiments.<br>
                                          Cheers,<br>
                                          Jeroen<br>
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                                              > Op 4 feb. 2016 om
                                              03:25 heeft Jody Garnett
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                                              het volgende geschreven:<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > A couple of results
                                              for the incubation team
                                              out of the weekend's board
                                              meeting.<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > We have the
                                              "GeoForAll Labs" and our
                                              OSGeo labs projects - and
                                              the two names trip on each
                                              other.<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > Board members were
                                              also a bit taken aback
                                              that our incubation
                                              process is not really
                                              "welcome" to innovation
                                              (indeed our graduation
                                              requirements tend to
                                              favour established
                                              projects).<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > With that in mind - I
                                              would like to kick off:<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > 1) Renaming OSGeo
                                              Labs as OSGeo Innovator<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > The branding for this
                                              is way better for
                                              projects! Having an "OSGeo
                                              Innovator" badge on your
                                              home page is way more
                                              "positive" an impression.<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > 2) Revise the
                                              procedures around this
                                              activity<br>
                                              ><br>
                                              > My first take is:<br>
                                              > - provide a home for
                                              small project teams /
                                              single organization
                                              projects<br>
                                              > - focus on new
                                              projects (so provide
                                              README, CONTRIBUTING, PSC
                                              files for a project to
                                              copy into github)<br>
                                              > - stick to our "open
                                              source" and "open
                                              development" guns!<br>
                                              > - "save the sticker"
                                              until on-boarding is
                                              complete<br>
                                              > --<br>
                                              > Jody Garnett<br>
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