<div dir="ltr"><div>I think small community projects should simply be incubated if the community is there, if the quality is there and if the licences are respected.<br></div><div>Maybe a different label could be given to highlight the level of associated "risk" in adoption.</div><div><br></div><div>Like: </div><div>geoserver: incubated & risk level 0</div><div>istsos: incubate & risk level 7</div><div><br></div><div>defining risk level based on evaluations of project metrics.</div><div><br></div><div>In my opinion, the "garage" world and idea will not invite people to adopt them because somehow communicate a negative feeling: "this project is not good to graduate in OSGeo..." </div><div>it doesn't tell "this project is very good but the community is still small..."<br></div><div><br></div><div>Innovator has a positive message, but i see it is not the best option though...</div><div><br></div><div>my 2 cents ;-)</div><div><br></div><div>Maxi</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-02-05 18:22 GMT+01:00 Landon Blake <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com" target="_blank">sunburned.surveyor@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Bob is making me laugh.:]<div><br></div><div>Stephen wrote: "<span style="font-size:12.8px">pgrouting is a good example of a project that has been around for 10+ years and has made an effort in the past to get ready for incubation but we gave up when we realized we would not meet the community requirements or having enough developers supporting it. But in every other way we are OSGeo, we have mentored something like 7-8 years of GSoC projects and about 12 students under OSGeo, the code is OpenSource, we collaborate with PostGIS team, etc.</span></div><span class=""><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">So I think providing support and shelter for projects like these is important to OSGeo."</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Agreed. Good comments.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Jody wrote: "</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">I think the point was this could be a place for projects that are open source ... but too small for main street. Projects will stay here, and may never meet our risk based graduation requirements.</span></div><span class=""><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">We do want these projects to be open source, correctly license and spatial. But that is about it for constraints."</span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Agreed. Good comments.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I really like "OSGeo Garage" as a name. It is a bit snarky, but also fun, and could make for a cool logo. I'm ready to lead this effort and reach out to our current "lab" projects so we can get things moving. Does someone else want to volunteer for the lead role?</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">What do we need to do to get closure on a name? A quick vote using Google Forms?</span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">Landon<br></span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 5, 2016 at 7:48 AM, Basques, Bob (CI-StPaul) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us" target="_blank">bob.basques@ci.stpaul.mn.us</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Oh no, now I’m going . . .
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<div>OSGeo Alley (as in Diagon . . .)</div>
<div>OSGeo Side Street.</div>
<div>OSGeo Trail</div>
<div>OSGeo Path (Paths, Pathways . . .)</div>
<div>OSGeo Yard (Back yard)</div>
<div>OSGeo Basement (Cellar, Dungeon)</div>
<div>OSGeo Patio (Deck)</div>
<div>OSGeo Landing (Dock)</div>
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<div>hey this is kinda fun . . .</div>
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<div>On Feb 4, 2016, at 9:06 PM, Stephen Woodbridge <<a href="mailto:woodbri@swoodbridge.com" target="_blank">woodbri@swoodbridge.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div><span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">For
names, how about:</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">OSGeo
Shed</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">OSGeo
Project Shed</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">OSGeo
Project Barn</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">OSGeo
Garage</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">the
place where projects live until they are ready for the main street.</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;float:none;display:inline!important">Names
are hard!</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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2/4/2016 8:22 PM, Landon Blake wrote:</span><br style="font-family:Menlo-Regular;font-size:11px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
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Agreed. We should just get the shed painted.<br>
<br>
Landon<br>
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 2:21 PM, Jody Garnett <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com" target="_blank">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a><br>
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I will point out that naming is a classic bike shed problem. I think<br>
we should ask the projects in "labs" and get their take on this.<br>
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--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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On 4 February 2016 at 13:12, Landon Blake<br>
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I like "Innovator". What about "Community Builder Project"?<br>
<br>
Landon<br>
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Jody Garnett<br>
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I hear you, and you are correct that innovation can happen<br>
anywhere. I look forward to alternate name suggestions.<br>
"Experiment" would do a disservice to a completed project<br>
that does not yet have a large/diverse enough community to<br>
meet our graduation requirements.<br>
<br>
My fellow board members were a bit startled that our<br>
incubation policies do inhibit the support smaller projects,<br>
and would like an avenue to support innovation. It may be<br>
that both these objectives cannot be met with the same<br>
initiative, but I would like to try.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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On 3 February 2016 at 23:47, Jeroen Ticheler<br>
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Hi Jody,<br>
I understand the naming confusion. The Innovator name<br>
however has IMO a negative reflection on the established<br>
projects. Are new projects necessarily more innovative<br>
than established ones? Often they are still so small<br>
they don't have established communities/structures etc<br>
in place. That's indeed why the Labs were created.<br>
I will think about another potential name and I hope<br>
others feel the same and will also think of an<br>
alternative naming for the Labs. I remember you saying<br>
something like Hatching (synonym of incubating, so maybe<br>
to co fusing).<br>
Maybe OSGeo Experiments.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jeroen<br>
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> Op 4 feb. 2016 om 03:25 heeft Jody Garnett<br>
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het volgende geschreven:<br>
><br>
> A couple of results for the incubation team out of<br>
the weekend's board meeting.<br>
><br>
> We have the "GeoForAll Labs" and our OSGeo labs<br>
projects - and the two names trip on each other.<br>
><br>
> Board members were also a bit taken aback that our<br>
incubation process is not really "welcome" to innovation<br>
(indeed our graduation requirements tend to favour<br>
established projects).<br>
><br>
> With that in mind - I would like to kick off:<br>
><br>
> 1) Renaming OSGeo Labs as OSGeo Innovator<br>
><br>
> The branding for this is way better for projects!<br>
Having an "OSGeo Innovator" badge on your home page is<br>
way more "positive" an impression.<br>
><br>
> 2) Revise the procedures around this activity<br>
><br>
> My first take is:<br>
> - provide a home for small project teams / single<br>
organization projects<br>
> - focus on new projects (so provide README,<br>
CONTRIBUTING, PSC files for a project to copy into github)<br>
> - stick to our "open source" and "open development" guns!<br>
> - "save the sticker" until on-boarding is complete<br>
> --<br>
> Jody Garnett<br>
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