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Hi Jody,<br>
So you want to allow suitable projects join OSGeo? Sure, that is the
concept behind OSGeo Labs. Any project can list itself so long as it
is Open Source and Geospatial. pgrouting is listed. [0]<br>
<br>
The problem is that many projects haven't joined. Why? Probably
because a listing in OSGeo Labs is of little value. What is of value
is a stamp of quality, which leads to attracting users, developers
and sponsors.<br>
<br>
So go ahead and rename OSGeo-Labs if you like, but I think the real
value and core conversation should be based around what value can we
offer OSGeo-Lab projects?<br>
<br>
[0] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/02/2016 7:21 am, Jody Garnett
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">It is slightly more than a badge/marketing Cameron,
we are looking to include projects in our software foundation
(which has resources to devote to their wellbeing).
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<div>I am concerned that we are having two conversations here:
one about the badge and a second one about inclusion.</div>
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<div>We as an organization demand a few things (open source, no
really open source did you check) and open development that
may be new to the project teams involved. We also have some
requirements around the risk associated with the use of
project (user community, documentation, developer maturity,
and project viability) which is unusual.</div>
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<div>The badge is a bit of a bike shed problem (accessible to
all but a distraction from the discussion).</div>
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<div>I am focused on address the inclusion (so projects like
pgRouting can have a home with OSGeo).</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 5 February 2016 at 11:28, Cameron
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I like Andrea's
approach to this question by flipping the problem.<br>
<br>
Lets first ask: what is the value from a label such as
"OSGeo Incubated"? It is a badge of quality which new
users can quickly recognise to help select projects they
might use.<br>
<br>
OSGeo-Live provides another badge of quality. OSGeo-Live
guarantees that a project has been tested and verified to
work on the OSGeo-Live linux distribution. Its main
selection criteria is that the project is stable, and the
community are willing to keep it maintained (with docs and
data). OSGeo-Live's selection criteria [1] is lower than
for OSGeo Incubation, and could be integrated with a
greater OSGeo badge system.<br>
<br>
So what I believe we are looking for is a set of well
defined project qualities, with each quality earning a
badge. Some of these qualities can be automatically
applied, as generated by OpenHub metrics [2].<br>
Others could be opted into, by the project themselves,
similar to the OSGeo Advocate categories [3].<br>
And the harder, but more valued badges are those requiring
a manual testing process, as provided by the OSGeo
Incubation Checklist. [4] Note, the value and prestige of
this badge is determined by the quality insisted upon
before the badge is allocated.<br>
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[1]
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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href="http://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html"
target="_blank">http://live.osgeo.org/en/metrics.html</a><br>
[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles"
target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Advocate#Understanding_OSGeo_roles</a><br>
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<div>On 5/02/2016 7:42 pm, Andrea Aime wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Silly idea maybe, but what if you
look at the problem at the other way,
<div>and simply allow projects to show a logo
showing they symphatize for OSGeo,</div>
<div>and have them start incubation when they are
somehow ready to?</div>
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<div>Steal a page from OGC, one can say they are
"implementing" a standard without checks (which</div>
<div>just mean they tried, but also shows support
for OGC), and then you can go though the</div>
<div>formal process and get actually certified, if
you want to.</div>
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<div>Cheers</div>
<div>Andrea</div>
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<div dir="ltr">I will point out that naming is
a classic bike shed problem. I think we
should ask the projects in "labs" and get
their take on this.</div>
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2016 at 13:12, Landon Blake <span
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<div dir="ltr">I like "Innovator".
What about "Community Builder
Project"?<span><font
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<div dir="ltr">I hear you,
and you are correct that
innovation can happen
anywhere. I look forward
to alternate name
suggestions.
"Experiment" would do a
disservice to a
completed project that
does not yet have a
large/diverse enough
community to meet our
graduation requirements.
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<div>My fellow board
members were a bit
startled that our
incubation policies
do inhibit the
support smaller
projects, and would
like an avenue to
support innovation.
It may be that both
these objectives
cannot be met with
the same initiative,
but I would like to
try.</div>
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3 February 2016 at
23:47, Jeroen
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Jody,<br>
I understand the
naming
confusion. The
Innovator name
however has IMO
a negative
reflection on
the established
projects. Are
new projects
necessarily more
innovative than
established
ones? Often they
are still so
small they don't
have established
communities/structures
etc in place.
That's indeed
why the Labs
were created.<br>
I will think
about another
potential name
and I hope
others feel the
same and will
also think of an
alternative
naming for the
Labs. I remember
you saying
something like
Hatching
(synonym of
incubating, so
maybe to co
fusing).<br>
Maybe OSGeo
Experiments.<br>
Cheers,<br>
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2016 om 03:25
heeft Jody
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het volgende
geschreven:<br>
><br>
> A couple
of results for
the incubation
team out of
the weekend's
board meeting.<br>
><br>
> We have
the "GeoForAll
Labs" and our
OSGeo labs
projects - and
the two names
trip on each
other.<br>
><br>
> Board
members were
also a bit
taken aback
that our
incubation
process is not
really
"welcome" to
innovation
(indeed our
graduation
requirements
tend to favour
established
projects).<br>
><br>
> With that
in mind - I
would like to
kick off:<br>
><br>
> 1)
Renaming OSGeo
Labs as OSGeo
Innovator<br>
><br>
> The
branding for
this is way
better for
projects!
Having an
"OSGeo
Innovator"
badge on your
home page is
way more
"positive" an
impression.<br>
><br>
> 2) Revise
the procedures
around this
activity<br>
><br>
> My first
take is:<br>
> - provide
a home for
small project
teams / single
organization
projects<br>
> - focus
on new
projects (so
provide
README,
CONTRIBUTING,
PSC files for
a project to
copy into
github)<br>
> - stick
to our "open
source" and
"open
development"
guns!<br>
> - "save
the sticker"
until
on-boarding is
complete<br>
> --<br>
> Jody
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