<div style="white-space:pre-wrap">We are setting something up different that is not OSGeo labs. We are validating - that these projects are open source and participatory.<br><br>The result is hopefully a larger OSGeo community.<br><br>This direction comes out of a board discussion around being inclusive and innovative. It could be the OSGeo Technology idea won't fly ... <br><br>Our OSGeo incubation process is set up for stability and safety. While I respect this it is holding us back from including different categories of projects.<br><br>I think the larger issue for the board to wrestle with is that the foundation does not provide enough value to projects. While they are willing to step up assistance (say incubation sprint or external code review) we on the incubation list need to look at our priorities on who we can extend this assistance to.<br><br>I would still like to see projects like pgRouting try their hand at incubation. I think it is a shame incubation. and the foundation, is considered hard.<br><br>In fact open source is hard, and we are here to help. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:35 AM Cameron Shorter <<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hey Jody,<br>
I'm actually agreeing with all you are suggesting doing with the
rebranded "OSGeo Labs", except the name "OSGeo Technology". This
name misrepresents the "Self Serve", non-validated concept of "OSGeo
Labs". The name implies "built out of OSGeo Projects". This is a
dis-service to people who come to our site for the first time, a
dis-service to "OSGeo Projects" who now become associated with
immature projects.<br>
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Pick a more accurate name than "OSGeo Technology" and I'd back the
rest of what you are suggesting.<br>
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Warm regards, Cameron</div><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><br>
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<div>On 7/03/2016 9:55 am, Jody Garnett
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<div dir="ltr">This is going to be a tough one Cameron ... our
brand currently has a reputation for turning projects away ...
not quality.
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<div>The long story short is how to respond to the direction
to be inclusive. We have two strong characters on this
mailing list with an axe to grind making it difficult for
projects to be part of OSGeo. I am very keen on projects
*being* open source, and you are very keen on making
projects safe for users to adopt (project viability,
quality, open standards).
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<div>I am proposing repurposing "OSGeo Labs" (which did not
promise anything as a brand and got adopted by GeoForAll)
as "OSGeo Technology" to focus on the open source angle;
in order to preserve "OSGeo Projects" (and incubation) to
focus on the second.</div>
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<div>We have a tension here between being inclusive (read
easy) and transparent (which takes effort).</div>
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<div>How would you like to add "transparency" to this mix?
We could provide a table with website, download,
documentation, test results - not sure if that would help
with transparency?</div>
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<div>I know we keep coming back to a rating system on this
mailing list - I recognize your work in this area for
OSGeo Live with the introduction of black duck metrics. I
imagine you would also be happy to phrase things as
positive "badges" (for projects that have documentation,
or quality assurance, or standards testing). For quality,
documentation and so forth I think we are stuck leading by
example (and perhaps working with the OGC on standards
compliance).</div>
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Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi
Jody,<br>
I agree with your suggestion that "Old OSGeo Labs"
need not have an aim of entering OSGeo incubation.<br>
However, I object to any project becoming
associated with OSGeo without it being obvious
about the level of quality control the project has
gone through.<br>
<br>
As suggested below, I could knock together 100
lines of uncommented, non-working code, give it an
open source license, and then add a "OSGeo
Technology" logo to the home page. And most
average punters wouldn't know the difference
between term "OSGeo Project" and "OSGeo
Technology". This would result in diminishing the
current association between OSGeo applications and
quality, which would be a bad thing.<br>
<br>
I feel "OSGeo Labs", "OSGeo Community Builder
Projects", or shortened to "OSGeo Builder
Projects" are less likely to be confused with
"OSGeo Incubated" projects.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron
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On 4/03/2016 2:13 am, Stephen Woodbridge
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">+1,
I think these changes make a lot of sense
and as part of an OSGeo Technology project
this feels very inclusive.<br>
<br>
-Steve W<br>
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On 3/3/2016 9:46 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">I
would like to change the tone of the page
a bit, since it "assumes"<br>
incubation ..<br>
<br>
/OSGeo Labs is an umbrella for open
source geospatial software<br>
projects that would like to become
OSGeo projects in the future, but<br>
that aren't ready for incubation quite
yet. It is appropriate to<br>
submit your new or experimental
project as an OSGeo labs project./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
/The volunteers that work as part of
OSGeo Labs have the goal of<br>
helping OSGeo Labs Projects qualify
for incubation. To reach this<br>
goal, OSGeo Labs volunteers help OSGeo
Labs Projects with the<br>
following tasks:<br>
/<br>
<br>
<br>
Would become:<br>
<br>
/Welcome to OSGeo Technology. The
projects listed here are part of<br>
the Open Source Geospatial Foundation
and range from new<br>
experimental projects to established
pillars of our open source<br>
ecosystem./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
/All projects here meet our goals as
an organization - they are open<br>
source (no really we checked) and are
inclusive and welcoming to new<br>
contributors./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
<br>
/Projects that go on to establish
excellence in community building,<br>
documentation, and governance can
enter our "incubation" program. /<br>
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<br>
I would also lose the "status" conditions
seed/seedling/sapling/adult<br>
and keep OSGeo Technology focused on the
basics (open source &<br>
inclusive). The status becomes having the
"OSGeo Technology" badge nice<br>
and simple.<br>
<br>
Thinking this through a bit more we have
one clear reason for projects<br>
to go through with incubation - being
recognized by the board and having<br>
an OSGeo Officer listed directly for the
project, while OSGeo Technology<br>
projects "share" an officer (as part of
"incubation committee").<br>
-- <br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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On 11 February 2016 at 11:04, Landon Blake
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wrote:<br>
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There is some good information on what
we were trying to achieve<br>
with the old OSGeo Labs on the wiki:<br>
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<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs</a><br>
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I think most of that information on
the wiki still applies. This<br>
includes the purpose of labs, how
projects get started in labs, what<br>
labs is trying to accomplish, and the
criteria to determine if your<br>
project is a good fit for labs.<br>
<br>
Does anyone have major heartburn with
what is laid out on that wiki<br>
page? (I'll rename the wiki page as
soon as we get a new name for labs.)<br>
<br>
Landon<br>
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