<p dir="ltr">Just 2 cents<br>
But maybe the point is not to have project not verified but with lower level of requirements. Could a project graduate for being an osgeo technology still making a code provenance even if is a one man code?</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Il 08/Mar/2016 21:30, "Jody Garnett" <<a href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>> ha scritto:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thanks for the support/discussion Daniel/Cameron - I am open to a word other than "OSGeo Technology".<div><br></div><div>Many of the other words proposed missed the point of the exercise... it is more useful to think of a project like <a href="http://pgrouting.org" target="_blank">pgRouting</a> or <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/proj/" target="_blank">PROJ</a> than to think of 100 lines of javascript.<div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 March 2016 at 12:25, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Jody,<br>
As per Daniel's comment.<br>
+1 to OSGeo being more inclusive by providing a light weight process for joining (in line with your suggestions)<br>
-1 for the words "OSGeo Technology". Are you open to changing to another word than "Technology"?<div><div><br>
<br>
On 9/03/2016 2:22 am, Daniel Morissette wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi Jody,<br>
<br>
FWIW I like the idea of a more inclusive place such as the former "OSGeo Labs", I was even one of the early supporters of the idea.<br>
<br>
The only concern that I expressed earlier was to make sure that terminology and expectations are clear for visitors to the site. I don't want this to be perceived as a blocker, it was just a constructive comment to help clarify the wording to make sure that users know what they are getting from what we call OSGeo projects vs OSGeo technology.<br>
<br>
Perhaps a comparison page to address the differences between Projects vs Technology would help address the possible confusion?<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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On 2016-03-08 10:13 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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We are setting something up different that is not OSGeo labs. We are<br>
validating - that these projects are open source and participatory.<br>
<br>
The result is hopefully a larger OSGeo community.<br>
<br>
This direction comes out of a board discussion around being inclusive<br>
and innovative. It could be the OSGeo Technology idea won't fly ...<br>
<br>
Our OSGeo incubation process is set up for stability and safety. While I<br>
respect this it is holding us back from including different categories<br>
of projects.<br>
<br>
I think the larger issue for the board to wrestle with is that the<br>
foundation does not provide enough value to projects. While they are<br>
willing to step up assistance (say incubation sprint or external code<br>
review) we on the incubation list need to look at our priorities on who<br>
we can extend this assistance to.<br>
<br>
I would still like to see projects like pgRouting try their hand at<br>
incubation. I think it is a shame incubation. and the foundation, is<br>
considered hard.<br>
<br>
In fact open source is hard, and we are here to help.<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:35 AM Cameron Shorter<br>
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Hey Jody,<br>
I'm actually agreeing with all you are suggesting doing with the<br>
rebranded "OSGeo Labs", except the name "OSGeo Technology". This<br>
name misrepresents the "Self Serve", non-validated concept of "OSGeo<br>
Labs". The name implies "built out of OSGeo Projects". This is a<br>
dis-service to people who come to our site for the first time, a<br>
dis-service to "OSGeo Projects" who now become associated with<br>
immature projects.<br>
<br>
Pick a more accurate name than "OSGeo Technology" and I'd back the<br>
rest of what you are suggesting.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
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On 7/03/2016 9:55 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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This is going to be a tough one Cameron ... our brand currently<br>
has a reputation for turning projects away ... not quality.<br>
<br>
The long story short is how to respond to the direction to be<br>
inclusive. We have two strong characters on this mailing list with<br>
an axe to grind making it difficult for projects to be part of<br>
OSGeo. I am very keen on projects *being* open source, and you are<br>
very keen on making projects safe for users to adopt (project<br>
viability, quality, open standards).<br>
<br>
I am proposing repurposing "OSGeo Labs" (which did not promise<br>
anything as a brand and got adopted by GeoForAll) as "OSGeo<br>
Technology" to focus on the open source angle; in order to<br>
preserve "OSGeo Projects" (and incubation) to focus on the second.<br>
<br>
We have a tension here between being inclusive (read easy) and<br>
transparent (which takes effort).<br>
<br>
How would you like to add "transparency" to this mix? We could<br>
provide a table with website, download, documentation, test<br>
results - not sure if that would help with transparency?<br>
<br>
I know we keep coming back to a rating system on this mailing list<br>
- I recognize your work in this area for OSGeo Live with the<br>
introduction of black duck metrics. I imagine you would also be<br>
happy to phrase things as positive "badges" (for projects that<br>
have documentation, or quality assurance, or standards<br>
testing). For quality, documentation and so forth I think we are<br>
stuck leading by example (and perhaps working with the OGC on<br>
standards compliance).<br>
<br>
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<mailto:<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Jody,<br>
I agree with your suggestion that "Old OSGeo Labs" need not<br>
have an aim of entering OSGeo incubation.<br>
However, I object to any project becoming associated with<br>
OSGeo without it being obvious about the level of quality<br>
control the project has gone through.<br>
<br>
As suggested below, I could knock together 100 lines of<br>
uncommented, non-working code, give it an open source license,<br>
and then add a "OSGeo Technology" logo to the home page. And<br>
most average punters wouldn't know the difference between term<br>
"OSGeo Project" and "OSGeo Technology". This would result in<br>
diminishing the current association between OSGeo applications<br>
and quality, which would be a bad thing.<br>
<br>
I feel "OSGeo Labs", "OSGeo Community Builder Projects", or<br>
shortened to "OSGeo Builder Projects" are less likely to be<br>
confused with "OSGeo Incubated" projects.<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
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On 4/03/2016 2:13 am, Stephen Woodbridge wrote:<br>
<br>
+1, I think these changes make a lot of sense and as part<br>
of an OSGeo Technology project this feels very inclusive.<br>
<br>
-Steve W<br>
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On 3/3/2016 9:46 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
<br>
I would like to change the tone of the page a bit,<br>
since it "assumes"<br>
incubation ..<br>
<br>
/OSGeo Labs is an umbrella for open source<br>
geospatial software<br>
projects that would like to become OSGeo projects<br>
in the future, but<br>
that aren't ready for incubation quite yet. It is<br>
appropriate to<br>
submit your new or experimental project as an<br>
OSGeo labs project./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
/The volunteers that work as part of OSGeo Labs<br>
have the goal of<br>
helping OSGeo Labs Projects qualify for<br>
incubation. To reach this<br>
goal, OSGeo Labs volunteers help OSGeo Labs<br>
Projects with the<br>
following tasks:<br>
/<br>
<br>
<br>
Would become:<br>
<br>
/Welcome to OSGeo Technology. The projects listed<br>
here are part of<br>
the Open Source Geospatial Foundation and range<br>
from new<br>
experimental projects to established pillars of<br>
our open source<br>
ecosystem./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
/All projects here meet our goals as an<br>
organization - they are open<br>
source (no really we checked) and are inclusive<br>
and welcoming to new<br>
contributors./<br>
/<br>
/<br>
<br>
/Projects that go on to establish excellence in<br>
community building,<br>
documentation, and governance can enter our<br>
"incubation" program. /<br>
<br>
<br>
I would also lose the "status" conditions<br>
seed/seedling/sapling/adult<br>
and keep OSGeo Technology focused on the basics (open<br>
source &<br>
inclusive). The status becomes having the "OSGeo<br>
Technology" badge nice<br>
and simple.<br>
<br>
Thinking this through a bit more we have one clear<br>
reason for projects<br>
to go through with incubation - being recognized by<br>
the board and having<br>
an OSGeo Officer listed directly for the project,<br>
while OSGeo Technology<br>
projects "share" an officer (as part of "incubation<br>
committee").<br>
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There is some good information on what we were<br>
trying to achieve<br>
with the old OSGeo Labs on the wiki:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Labs</a><br>
<br>
I think most of that information on the wiki still<br>
applies. This<br>
includes the purpose of labs, how projects get<br>
started in labs, what<br>
labs is trying to accomplish, and the criteria to<br>
determine if your<br>
project is a good fit for labs.<br>
<br>
Does anyone have major heartburn with what is laid<br>
out on that wiki<br>
page? (I'll rename the wiki page as soon as we get<br>
a new name for labs.)<br>
<br>
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