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    I think we have reached a rough consensus on this thread. I suggest
    we vote, hopefully all agree, and move forward.<br>
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    Motion: The old "OSGeo Labs" should be renamed to "OSGeo Community
    Projects".<br>
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    +1 Cameron<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/03/2016 10:06 am, Bruce Bannerman
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Resend as previous email was blocked by mail server
        due to message size.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:57 AM,
            Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Jody,<br>
                        <br>
                        I like the concept of extending the
                        communications to other projects, but perhaps
                        not until we have our thoughts as to what we are
                        trying to do sorted out.<br>
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                      We may also want to get the thoughts of those
                      already in incubation. I can feel the pain and
                      frustration of projects such as Rasdaman that have
                      been working through our process for over five
                      years now (though the latest delays are largely my
                      fault).<br>
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                    Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way and
                    need to look at an OSGeo Project Maturity model as
                    Cameron has suggested in the past?<br>
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                  We really are looking at a continuum [1] of open
                  source project maturity.<br>
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                <div>This will allow us to also support Bob's idea of
                  staged incubation, rather than one big bang as is
                  currently required.<br>
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                <div>It will also allow us to influence projects early
                  on with 'the OSGeo way' [2].<br>
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                Bruce<br>
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                [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html"
                  target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/principles.html</a>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On
                                Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Jody
                                Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">Excellent discussion
                                    Bruce, thank you. I agree with the
                                    general feel here, that we are on a
                                    scale  of "Community" (minimal) to
                                    "Project" (showcase best practice).
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                                    <div>The miss assumption is
                                      "starting out" or "immature" -
                                      projects like pgRouting,
                                      GeoWebCache, proj4js are simply
                                      "small". We would like an
                                      opportunity as a foundation to
                                      support these projects and include
                                      them in our organization. </div>
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                                      <div>The downside to Hatch and
                                        Nurture is that they assume that
                                        a project will proceed towards
                                        graduation. While we may be able
                                        to capture this as a "staged"
                                        incubation process (as per Bob's
                                        suggestion) it also suffers from
                                        this perspective that the
                                        projects are "not ready yet".
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                                        <div>I wonder if we could take
                                          this conversation in the other
                                          direction, contact projects
                                          like pgRouting and asking what
                                          would appeal (rather than
                                          guessing at this end what
                                          would be attractive).</div>
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                                        <div>* As a uDig lead I was
                                          dissuaded from joining OSGeo
                                          by being unable to meet the
                                          various incubation viability
                                          requirements (the project was
                                          too small).</div>
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                                    <div>* In prior conversations with
                                      Kevin Smith from GeoWebCache there
                                      is simply not a business driver to
                                      moving from labs to incubation -
                                      the project is not attracting
                                      enough committers to qualify.
                                      Indeed any available time to work
                                      on the project is put into the
                                      project directly.</div>
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                                            <div>--</div>
                                            <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                                          class="">On 16 March 2016 at
                                          00:01, Bruce Bannerman <span
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                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          <div>Perhaps
                                                          this is where
                                                          we need to
                                                          start.<br>
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                                                          What is it
                                                          that we're
                                                          trying to
                                                          establish,
                                                          together with
                                                          the rationale.
                                                          We can sort a
                                                          name from
                                                          there, rather
                                                          than assuming
                                                          that everyone
                                                          is familiar
                                                          with what the
                                                          old 'Labs'
                                                          were intended
                                                          for.<br>
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                                                          In response to
                                                          your question:<br>
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                                                          Assumption by
                                                          me:  The
                                                          'thing' is
                                                          intended to
                                                          support
                                                          projects and
                                                          their
                                                          communities
                                                          that are
                                                          small,
                                                          immature, or
                                                          just starting
                                                          out. These
                                                          projects are
                                                          not ready to
                                                          begin
                                                          graduation, or
                                                          perhaps do not
                                                          want to go
                                                          through the
                                                          process at
                                                          this stage.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Therefore, we
                                                          want to find a
                                                          way to
                                                          encourage them
                                                          into the OSGeo
                                                          Community,
                                                          Principles and
                                                          way of
                                                          working.
                                                          Projects may
                                                          or may not
                                                          wish to enter
                                                          graduation as
                                                          they evolve.<br>
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                                                          Therefore, I
                                                          saw that we
                                                          could have a
                                                          nurturing role
                                                          for these
                                                          projects, to
                                                          provide them
                                                          with basic
                                                          infrastructure
                                                          for web
                                                          presence,
                                                          project
                                                          governance and
                                                          code
                                                          repositories.
                                                          If projects
                                                          express an
                                                          interest we
                                                          could
                                                          introduce them
                                                          to some of the
                                                          concepts
                                                          required of an
                                                          OSGeo Project
                                                          in graduation.
                                                          This is
                                                          heading in the
                                                          direction that
                                                          Bob Basques
                                                          suggested for
                                                          staged
                                                          graduation. <br>
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                                                        I see this as
                                                        potentially a
                                                        nuturing role,
                                                        hence the two
                                                        terms:<br>
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                                                      OSGeo Hatch (as in
                                                      hatchery for new
                                                      projects)<br>
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                                                    OSGeo Nurture.<br>
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                                                  I hope this helps.<br>
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                                                If my assumption as to
                                                the intent of this
                                                'thing' is incorrect,
                                                then perhaps we could
                                                clarify as a starting
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                                                    <div class="h5">On
                                                      Wed, Mar 16, 2016
                                                      at 3:58 PM, Jody
                                                      Garnett <span
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                                                        <div style="white-space:pre-wrap">That is just it, trying for projects that are not emerging - so we do not want to give the impression that their technology ish immature (even if we think the foundation can offer further help in other areas). 

Bruce cash you preview some reasoning behind your two suggestions? I do not want to just be negative ...
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                                                          <div dir="ltr">On
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                                                          PM Bruce
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