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I think we have reached a rough consensus on this thread. I suggest
we vote, hopefully all agree, and move forward.<br>
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Motion: The old "OSGeo Labs" should be renamed to "OSGeo Community
Projects".<br>
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+1 Cameron<br>
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<div>Jody,<br>
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I like the concept of extending the
communications to other projects, but perhaps
not until we have our thoughts as to what we are
trying to do sorted out.<br>
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We may also want to get the thoughts of those
already in incubation. I can feel the pain and
frustration of projects such as Rasdaman that have
been working through our process for over five
years now (though the latest delays are largely my
fault).<br>
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Perhaps we are looking at this the wrong way and
need to look at an OSGeo Project Maturity model as
Cameron has suggested in the past?<br>
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We really are looking at a continuum [1] of open
source project maturity.<br>
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<div>This will allow us to also support Bob's idea of
staged incubation, rather than one big bang as is
currently required.<br>
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<div>It will also allow us to influence projects early
on with 'the OSGeo way' [2].<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Excellent discussion
Bruce, thank you. I agree with the
general feel here, that we are on a
scale of "Community" (minimal) to
"Project" (showcase best practice).
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<div>The miss assumption is
"starting out" or "immature" -
projects like pgRouting,
GeoWebCache, proj4js are simply
"small". We would like an
opportunity as a foundation to
support these projects and include
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<div>The downside to Hatch and
Nurture is that they assume that
a project will proceed towards
graduation. While we may be able
to capture this as a "staged"
incubation process (as per Bob's
suggestion) it also suffers from
this perspective that the
projects are "not ready yet".
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<div>I wonder if we could take
this conversation in the other
direction, contact projects
like pgRouting and asking what
would appeal (rather than
guessing at this end what
would be attractive).</div>
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<div>* As a uDig lead I was
dissuaded from joining OSGeo
by being unable to meet the
various incubation viability
requirements (the project was
too small).</div>
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<div>* In prior conversations with
Kevin Smith from GeoWebCache there
is simply not a business driver to
moving from labs to incubation -
the project is not attracting
enough committers to qualify.
Indeed any available time to work
on the project is put into the
project directly.</div>
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<div>Perhaps
this is where
we need to
start.<br>
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What is it
that we're
trying to
establish,
together with
the rationale.
We can sort a
name from
there, rather
than assuming
that everyone
is familiar
with what the
old 'Labs'
were intended
for.<br>
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In response to
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Assumption by
me: The
'thing' is
intended to
support
projects and
their
communities
that are
small,
immature, or
just starting
out. These
projects are
not ready to
begin
graduation, or
perhaps do not
want to go
through the
process at
this stage.<br>
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Therefore, we
want to find a
way to
encourage them
into the OSGeo
Community,
Principles and
way of
working.
Projects may
or may not
wish to enter
graduation as
they evolve.<br>
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Therefore, I
saw that we
could have a
nurturing role
for these
projects, to
provide them
with basic
infrastructure
for web
presence,
project
governance and
code
repositories.
If projects
express an
interest we
could
introduce them
to some of the
concepts
required of an
OSGeo Project
in graduation.
This is
heading in the
direction that
Bob Basques
suggested for
staged
graduation. <br>
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I see this as
potentially a
nuturing role,
hence the two
terms:<br>
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OSGeo Hatch (as in
hatchery for new
projects)<br>
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OSGeo Nurture.<br>
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I hope this helps.<br>
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If my assumption as to
the intent of this
'thing' is incorrect,
then perhaps we could
clarify as a starting
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<div style="white-space:pre-wrap">That is just it, trying for projects that are not emerging - so we do not want to give the impression that their technology ish immature (even if we think the foundation can offer further help in other areas).
Bruce cash you preview some reasoning behind your two suggestions? I do not want to just be negative ...
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