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Bruce, Peter,<br>
I've read through the incubation process documentation, and can only
see one thing which I think breaks our OSGeo principles.<br>
<br>
The Governance model includes a statement:<br>
"In all issues, the PSC strives to achieve unanimous consent based
on a free, independent exchange of facts and opinions. Should such
consent exceptionally not be reached then Peter Baumann has a
casting vote."<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/Governance</a><br>
<br>
This is describing a "benevolent dictator" model, which has proved
to be an effective model for many open source projects. See Eric
Raymond's "Homesteading the Noosphere":
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s16.html">http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/homesteading/homesteading/ar01s16.html</a><br>
<br>
However, it is not in line with existing OSGeo Incubated projects,
which have documented a "vote by PSC" as the defining governance
process. In practice, the PSC community debate alternatives, and if
needed, respectfully revert to reasoned advice provided by the
"benevolent dictator".<br>
<br>
Peter, are you open to changing the governance model to a "vote by
PSC"?<br>
I'd be comfortable with a "vote by PSC, with PSC chair being given
1.5 votes to break any deadlocks. I'd also be ok with PSC chair
defaulting to Peter (as founder), until such time as Peter resigns
from the role."<br>
<br>
Warm regards, Cameron<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 19/10/2014 8:30 am, Cameron Shorter
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:5442DC05.2030104@gmail.com" type="cite"> Hi
Peter and Bruce,<br>
I've reviewed the incubation documentation provided, and provided
a few spot reviews of the referenced documentation.<br>
Overall, I think the documentation is in good shape, but missing
explanations, particularly around licenses and testing.<br>
<br>
<br>
Below are a few things that I'd like to see looked into before
final sign off:<br>
<br>
Looking at: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>
which provides the summary about how the project is ready to
complete graduation.<br>
<br>
* For each statement that you are addressing, please add a brief
sentence explaining HOW you are addressing the statement, possibly
also with an OPINION.<br>
For instance, currently for: "Open communication channels", you
have "see MailingLists".<br>
In reviewing, I can see that a mailing list has been set up. In
looking at the list, I see users are asked questions on the user
list and there are answers. I can see that auto-patch messages are
being pumped into the developers list. In my quick scan, I can't
see discussions between developers about a new feature, and
discussions about a design idea. So I'd suggest describing how
communication is happening. Maybe:<br>
"See MailingLists <URL>. User questions are typically
addressed on the user email list. Development is currently mostly
happening at Jacobs University, and discussions about development
typically happen in person, and the results of such conversations
are summarised onto the developer email list (or ...)."<br>
<br>
* For "Open Source License": I'd be hoping to see a statement
about the dual license, including a comment about the enterprise
license. I'm ok with the dual license concept which I think fits
with OSGeo principles. Further, from the material and links
provided, it seems plausible that the GPL license terms are broken
by LGPL and enterprise licensed products being distributed.<br>
I feel there needs to be an explanation of the enterprise license,
and then about how LGPL products and enterprise products don't
need to be GPL (because they don't link in any GPL libraries?).<br>
<br>
* "<i>Long term viability</i>": <br>
Sentence needed here discussing roughly how many contributors you
have, (as well as existing reference to patchmanager).<br>
<br>
* <i>Project documentation is available under an open license, as
documented here: Legal</i>: <br>
The referenced "Legal" link doesn't talk about Documentation.
Please reference correct documentation license link.<br>
<br>
* <i><a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal">http://rasdaman.org/wiki/Legal</a></i>
: <br>
Remove references to "... blah-blah ..."<br>
<br>
* " <i>Which includes execution of the testing process before
releasing a stable release: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://212.201.49.21:35000/">http://212.201.49.21:35000/</a>"</i>
:<br>
Link requires user log in. A sentence explaining testing will
help here.<br>
<br>
* "<i>All patches submitted to the repository undergo review
before being applied to the code base: <a
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager">http://www.rasdaman.org/patchmanager</a></a></i>"
: <br>
This doesn't confirm that patches are reviewed (by a person), only
that you use patchmanager.<br>
<br>
* "<i>Systemtests are to be run by developers before submitting
patches: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/CodeGuide</a></i>"
: <br>
This code guide is good, but on my first pass, I can't see any
reference to testing processes. How do you verify that all code is
tested? Ideally reference continual integration or similar.<br>
<br>
* Link to <i><a moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest">http://rasdaman.org/browser/systemtest</a></i>
is broken. I'm looking for evidence of testing processes,
including unit testing, continuous integration, and a system
testing plan which is executed. <br>
<br>
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<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/04/2016 9:13 am, Bruce Bannerman
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAG=9HV+kqM=_AYEvuYmq--AyUWX-ZxRb6mPiMZg_AVp0aQYfuw@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
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<div>Hello Colleagues,<br>
<br>
</div>
Can I please get some indication that this motion has been
read, rather than stunned silence?<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>It has now been over a week since I initiated this
vote. I have not seen a single reply.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
<br>
@Jody,<br>
<br>
</div>
How long can a motion stay open before the vote is counted? I
vaguely recall that it was two weeks.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
Bruce<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at
9:11 AM, Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Take 2<br>
<br>
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Dear Incubation Committee,<br>
<div>
<div><br>
After a long six years of effort, I'd like
to recommend that Rasdaman is ready for
graduation from the OSGeo Incubation
process.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>You will find the Incubation Checklist
at:<br>
<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a><br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I believe that the Rasdaman community
have met our requirements to graduate from
incubation.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I have found the community to be robust
and very active attracting contributors
from many corners of the globe.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>The project is attracting quite a bit
of interest, together with European Union
funding for additional development that
appears to be going into the open source
version of the product.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I have also noted that Rasdaman Gmbh is
also moving some of their previously
proprietary capability into the open
source version.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Peter Bauman, the man behind Rasdaman
is also making very significant and
noteworthy contributions to the world of
open spatial standards through his work
within OGC and W3C Spatial Data on the Web
Working Group. Rasdaman is an OGC
Reference implementation of several WCS
related standards from memory.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I do have a reservation though:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>While I see that Rasdaman is meeting
the requirements of the OSGeo Incubation
process, I do feel that it is not meeting
the spirit of Incubation.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>As an example control of the project is
still tightly controlled around Rasdaman
GMbh:<br>
<br>
- Two of the three members of the Rasdaman
PSC are members of Rasdaman Gmbh;<br>
</div>
<div>- Project technical design and
strategic directions are tightly
controlled and do not appear to be openly
discussed on public emailing lists. Things
'just happen'; and<br>
</div>
<div>- The Rasdaman-PSC email list contains
no emails [1].<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I do know of one or two attempts to try
to get public discussion going about
strategic technical direction, however I
did not see much activity related to it.
This is probably symptomatic of the lack
of a serious attempt at community
consultation on strategic and technical
design issues to date.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>My advice to the Rasdaman Community is
that for you to truly thrive as an open
source community, you will need to look
closely at this issue and address it
proactively. It is your project! <br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Bruce Bannerman<br>
</div>
<div>OSGeo Mentor for Rasdaman<br>
</div>
<div><br>
[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/rasdaman-psc"
target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasdaman-psc</a>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
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<br>
The checklist (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a>)
seems complete. The last communication
from Bruce was also positive, but did
not elicit a response from this mailing
list.<br>
<br>
I recommend Bruce invite
discussion/review of checklist and prep
a recommendation for graduation (if he
is comfortable doing so at this time).<br>
<br>
--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
<br>
On 21 April 2016 at 00:55, Peter Baumann
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de"
target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a>>
wrote:<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
just a brief question, what are the
plans about rasdaman incubation?<br>
Last communication was 7 months ago, and
this April we had our 6th anniversary<br>
of entering incubation.<br>
<br>
thanks for sharing your thoughts,<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
--<br>
Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
- Professor of Computer Science, Jacobs
University Bremen<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann"
target="_blank">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a><br>
mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de"
target="_blank">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a><br>
tel: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-421-200-3178"
value="+494212003178" target="_blank">+49-421-200-3178</a>,
fax: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2B49-421-200-493178"
value="+49421200493178"
target="_blank">+49-421-200-493178</a><br>
- Executive Director, rasdaman GmbH
Bremen (HRB 26793)<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.rasdaman.com"
target="_blank">www.rasdaman.com</a>,
mail: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com"
target="_blank">baumann@rasdaman.com</a><br>
tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax:
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href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882"
value="+491735837882" target="_blank">+49-173-5837882</a><br>
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