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    -1 on rasdaman incubation until the Governance question is resolved,
    which is a bigger question than just rasdaman, and I'm expecting
    will take a number of weeks to resolve. Cameron<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/05/2016 2:36 pm, Jody Garnett
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAOhbgAmpJuoC9XfkiUcHXi_ayj=3Hwvbp6Qon4tLUMfDqNyGDw@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">-1 but in the PSC sense where I will work to find a
      solution. <br>
      <br>
      We the incubation cannot relax this core tenant of our foundation
      (it is in our objectives as an organization). But I will ask the
      board to consider the idea in the next board meeting.<br>
      <br>
      Can I kindly suggest that the project request to be listed as a
      community project while this is looked at.<br>
      <br>
      I am a bit disappointed to be at this impasse, but thank everyone
      involved for the clear and polite communication. <br>
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        <div dir="ltr">On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 6:45 PM Bruce Bannerman
          <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div>+1<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">Bruce</div>
          <div dir="ltr"><br>
            <br>
            <div>
              <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 8:44 AM,
                  Bruce Bannerman <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                          <div>Dear Incubation Committee,<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          We have two days left to vote on this motion.
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        <div>There has been sufficient discussion to
                          thrash out the issues.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        Given the nature of the vote and the six years
                        of effort that the Rasdaman Community have put
                        into meeting OSGeo Incubation requirements, I
                        would like to see a strong indication of
                        Committee Member's views on this issue. <br>
                        <br>
                        I personally don't believe that there is room
                        for Committee Members to sit on the fence and
                        not make a call on this.<br>
                        <br>
                      </div>
                      Remember, we are making a recommendation to the
                      OSGeo Board.<br>
                      <br>
                      The Board will have the final decision.<br>
                      <br>
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                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <pre>We have the following response after twelve days of voting:

   - Bruce Bannerman
   - Bob (CI-StPaul) Basques
   - Landon Blake
   - Howard Butler
   - Arnulf Christl 
   - Jody Garnett 
   - Dimitris Kotzinos
   - Tom Kralidis 
   - Julien-Samuel Lacroix
   - Mark Lucas
   - Steve Lime
   - Daniel Morissette 
   - Markus Schneider
   - Cameron Shorter 
   - Jeroen Ticheler
   - Norman Vine
   - Frank Warmerdam


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                            <pre>Regards,
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                            <span><br>
                              <div>Bruce Bannerman<br>
                              </div>
                              <div>OSGeo Mentor for Rasdaman<br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">----------
                                    Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                    From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Bruce
                                      Bannerman</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com"
                                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com">bruce.bannerman.osgeo@gmail.com</a></a>></span><br>
                                    Date: Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 9:11 AM<br>
                                    Subject: Motion: Rasdaman ready to
                                    graduate from OSGeo Incubation<br>
                                    To: "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:Incubator@lists.osgeo.org"
                                      target="_blank">Incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>"
                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org"
                                      target="_blank">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a>><br>
                                    Cc: "<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>>"
                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">rasdaman-users@googlegroups.com</a>>,
                                    "<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>>"
                                    <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                      href="mailto:rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com"
                                      target="_blank">rasdaman-dev@googlegroups.com</a>><br>
                                    <br>
                                    <br>
                                    <div dir="ltr">
                                      <div>Take 2<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Dear Incubation Committee,<br>
                                      <div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          After a long six years of
                                          effort, I'd like to recommend
                                          that Rasdaman is ready for
                                          graduation from the OSGeo
                                          Incubation process.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>You will find the
                                          Incubation Checklist at:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist"
                                            target="_blank">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a><br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I believe that the Rasdaman
                                          community have met our
                                          requirements to graduate from
                                          incubation.<br>
                                           <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I have found the community
                                          to be robust and very active
                                          attracting contributors from
                                          many corners of the globe.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>The project is attracting
                                          quite a bit of interest,
                                          together with European Union
                                          funding for additional
                                          development that appears to be
                                          going into the open source
                                          version of the product.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I have also noted that
                                          Rasdaman Gmbh is also moving
                                          some of their previously
                                          proprietary capability into
                                          the open source version.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Peter Bauman, the man
                                          behind Rasdaman is also making
                                          very significant and
                                          noteworthy contributions to
                                          the world of open spatial
                                          standards through his work
                                          within OGC and W3C Spatial
                                          Data on the Web Working Group.
                                          Rasdaman is an OGC Reference
                                          implementation of several WCS
                                          related standards from memory.<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I do have a reservation
                                          though:<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>While I see that Rasdaman
                                          is meeting the requirements of
                                          the OSGeo Incubation process,
                                          I do feel that it is not
                                          meeting the spirit of
                                          Incubation.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>As an example control of
                                          the project is still tightly
                                          controlled around Rasdaman
                                          GMbh:<br>
                                          <br>
                                          - Two of the three members of
                                          the Rasdaman PSC are members
                                          of Rasdaman Gmbh;<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>- Project technical design
                                          and strategic directions are
                                          tightly controlled and do not
                                          appear to be openly discussed
                                          on public emailing lists.
                                          Things 'just happen'; and<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>- The Rasdaman-PSC email
                                          list contains no emails [1].<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I do know of one or two
                                          attempts to try to get public
                                          discussion going about
                                          strategic technical direction,
                                          however I did not see much
                                          activity related to it. This
                                          is probably symptomatic of the
                                          lack of a serious attempt at
                                          community consultation on
                                          strategic and technical design
                                          issues to date.<br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>My advice to the Rasdaman
                                          Community is that for you to
                                          truly thrive as an open source
                                          community, you will need to
                                          look closely at this issue and
                                          address it proactively. It is
                                          your project! <br>
                                          <br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Bruce Bannerman<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>OSGeo Mentor for Rasdaman<br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21forum/rasdaman-psc"
                                            target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/rasdaman-psc</a>
                                          <br>
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                                        <div><br>
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                                            The checklist (<a
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                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist">http://www.rasdaman.org/wiki/OSGeoIncubationChecklist</a></a>)
                                            seems complete. The last
                                            communication from Bruce was
                                            also positive, but did not
                                            elicit a response from this
                                            mailing list.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            I recommend Bruce invite
                                            discussion/review of
                                            checklist and prep a
                                            recommendation for
                                            graduation (if he is
                                            comfortable doing so at this
                                            time).<br>
                                            <br>
                                            --<br>
                                            Jody Garnett<br>
                                            <br>
                                            On 21 April 2016 at 00:55,
                                            Peter Baumann <<a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a></a>>
                                            wrote:<br>
                                            Dear all,<br>
                                            <br>
                                            just a brief question, what
                                            are the plans about rasdaman
                                            incubation?<br>
                                            Last communication was 7
                                            months ago, and this April
                                            we had our 6th anniversary<br>
                                            of entering incubation.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            thanks for sharing your
                                            thoughts,<br>
                                            Peter<br>
                                            <br>
                                            --<br>
                                            Dr. Peter Baumann<br>
                                             - Professor of Computer
                                            Science, Jacobs University
                                            Bremen<br>
                                               <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann">www.faculty.jacobs-university.de/pbaumann</a></a><br>
                                               mail: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:p.baumann@jacobs-university.de">p.baumann@jacobs-university.de</a></a><br>
                                               tel: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="tel:%2B49-421-200-3178"
                                              value="+494212003178"
                                              target="_blank">+49-421-200-3178</a>,
                                            fax: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="tel:%2B49-421-200-493178"
                                              value="+49421200493178"
                                              target="_blank">+49-421-200-493178</a><br>
                                             - Executive Director,
                                            rasdaman GmbH Bremen (HRB
                                            26793)<br>
                                               <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="http://www.rasdaman.com"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.rasdaman.com">www.rasdaman.com</a></a>,
                                            mail: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com"
                                              target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:baumann@rasdaman.com">baumann@rasdaman.com</a></a><br>
                                               tel: 0800-rasdaman, fax:
                                            0800-rasdafax, mobile: <a
                                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                                              href="tel:%2B49-173-5837882"
                                              value="+491735837882"
                                              target="_blank">+49-173-5837882</a><br>
                                            "Si forte in alienas manus
                                            oberraverit hec peregrina
                                            epistola incertis ventis
                                            dimissa, sed Deo commendata,
                                            precamur ut ei reddatur cui
                                            soli destinata, nec
                                            preripiat quisquam non sibi
                                            parata." (mail disclaimer,
                                            AD 1083)<br>
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        <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Cameron Shorter,
Software and Data Solutions Manager
LISAsoft
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

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