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    <p>Hi Robert,</p>
    <p>I'm copying this announcement about the SLD Editor to the OSGeo
      Discuss list, which will likely have more readers.</p>
    <p>My comments relate to maturing of your SLD Editor software as a
      project.</p>
    <p>From your description, it sounds like you have created a valuable
      piece of software, which successfully addresses ESRI Styles ->
      SLD conversion, something which has been patchy in Open Source to
      date. (It would be interesting to know how your SLD Editor
      compares to the proprietary GeoCat Bridge, which provides similar
      functionality).</p>
    <p>I'm guessing the next logical step would be to mature your
      project. This would involve attracting a community behind the
      project - users and developers. It involves some marketing,
      setting up of processes, supporting people, tracking bugs, etc.</p>
    <p>It would be worth while looking at the OSGeo Incubation
      Graduation Checklist [1], and start working toward addressing the
      items on the checklist.</p>
    <p>I'd also consider incorporating the SLD Editor as a module within
      an existing OSGeo-Project. This will help with attracting a user
      base, and gaining credibility. I suspect embedding the SLD Editor
      in GeoServer might make sense?</p>
    <p>With regards to including the SLD Editor into OSGeo-Live, I think
      it would be a great edition, but possibly wouldn't meet maturity
      guidelines for OSGeo-Live yet [2]. We might be able to include it
      as a "hidden" project initially.</p>
    <p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
    </p>
    [1]
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
    [2] <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Disc_Apply</a><br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/06/2016 5:01 pm, Robert Ward
      wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
            bit more background information about the SLD Editor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
            been developing the application for about 18 months as a
            side project.  The idea started when we did some consultancy
            work and put together a proposal for an organisation to
            migrate from an Esri system to an OpenLayers/GeoServer
            stack. When it came to migrating ~1250 layers we didn’t know
            what number to put down for symbol conversion to SLD.  When
            you looked at the numbers this was a large percentage of the
            overall cost and something needed to be done to reduce it if
            we were going to be competitive in doing migrations to open
            source GIS systems.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One
            of our long standing large enterprise GIS systems required a
            change to an SLD symbol which we used QGIS to edit. It
            turned out there was a known bug that caused the change to
            be forgotten.  I looked to fix it, I’m very familiar with
            C++ and Qt but found it difficult to debug and realised the
            SLD styling data model was not completely implemented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
            looked at GeoTools because I knew it could parse SLD files
            and render them. Another big advantage is that it supports
            all the GeoServer vendor options, in particular the
            labelling.  I got something simple working quite quickly and
            it went from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Ideally
            all this functionality should be in QGIS but QGIS would have
            to be rewritten to use a C++ version of GeoTools to be able
            to render the GeoServer vendor options, which will not
            happen overnight.  We know of people that would love this
            capability and I understand some peoples reluctance for yet
            another application.  I think as long as GeoServer is so
            heavily used a Java desktop SLD Editor application is
            acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’ve
            had discussions about developing a web-front end for the
            application, a possibility. However not all GIS systems we
            deliver are web based and certain projects I work on and
            locations I work at, do not allow web access or a web server
            to be deployed without going through a lot of hoops.  If I
            have a standalone desktop application I can do all my work
            without having to rely on any other infrastructure.  One of
            the aims of the application was to be able to work in a
            connected/disconnected environment, I don’t think all
            users/developers understand this scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
            architecture has evolved. I’ve rewritten parts of it several
            times, sometimes because it didn’t deliver the right
            functionality or sometimes because I thought it could be
            done better (either I had a better idea or trying to improve
            maintenance), sometimes because I was experimenting.  Some
            parts of the code definitely need to be cleaned up although
            some frameworks/interfaces I’ve put in-place I think are
            quite good.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There
            will be some work needed to understand why some symbols
            don’t display. I’m thinking windbarbs where I believe I’m
            passing the correct data but the symbol is not rendered.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I’m
            also quite keen to progress the GeoPackage standard
            supporting SLD files.  I’m not certain whether the standard
            supports this yet but GeoTools doesn’t let me store an SLD
            file with a vector dataset that I can pass round in one
            file.  The SLD Editor has partially implemented this
            functionality but it would be better if it was a standard
            and would probably help increase the adoption of the
            GeoPackage standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
style="line-height:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7A2B2E">__________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="line-height:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;text-autospace:none"><b><span
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              Robert Ward</span></b><span
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7A2B2E">Technical
            Architect – Enterprise Solutions & Defence<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="line-height:12.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;text-autospace:none"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C72E2D">SCISYS
              UK Limited<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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style="line-height:10.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#343434">T: +44
            (0)1249 466575<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="line-height:10.0pt;mso-line-height-rule:exactly;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#343434"
            lang="DE">E: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:robert.ward@scisys.co.uk">robert.ward@scisys.co.uk</a>
            |
            <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.scisys.co.uk">www.scisys.co.uk</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
              lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
            lang="EN-US"> Jody Garnett [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com">mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>]
            <br>
            <b>Sent:</b> 16 June 2016 01:01<br>
            <b>To:</b> Robert Ward<br>
            <b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:incubator@lists.osgeo.org">incubator@lists.osgeo.org</a><br>
            <b>Subject:</b> Re: [Incubator] SLD Editor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Welcome Robert:<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">That is an impressive project, I was
              able to checkout, report an issue, and now build :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">There are three ways for projects to
              get involved in OSGeo:<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">1. Including your project in <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/index.html">
                OSGeo Live</a> is a great way to reach a wider audience<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">2. We have set up <a
                moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects">
                Community Projects</a> as an outreach effort for OSGeo
              providing an easy way for projects to join the foundation.<o:p></o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">3. OSGeo <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html">Incubation</a>
              which offers a much closer check into a project's health
              and wellbeing <o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
          </div>
          <div>
            <p class="MsoNormal">aside: Your SLD Editor project is much
              larger project then your github history indicates, can you
              tell me anything about the background of the project?<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal">Jody Garnett<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal">On 15 June 2016 at 05:30, Robert Ward
              <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="mailto:Robert.Ward@scisys.co.uk" target="_blank">Robert.Ward@scisys.co.uk</a>>
              wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">After
                    presenting at FOSS4G UK, we have released as open
                    source a Java SLD Editor based on GeoTools and think
                    it needs help from the wider open source GIS
                    community.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The source
                    code, user guide and developer’s guide is available
                    here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor"
                      target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor">https://github.com/robward-scisys/sldeditor</a></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
                    application is based on the GeoTools library which
                    underpins GeoServer and so has the advantage that
                    all GeoServer vendor options can be dynamically
                    rendered.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Whilst not
                    wanting to duplicate work, this feature is not
                    available in QGIS, which is written in C++ and has a
                    different rendering engine that does not support
                    GeoServer vendor options.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">The
                    application is not complete and some areas need to
                    be refactored however I think the application in its
                    current state more than demonstrates what is
                    possible.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
                  style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">There will
                    certainly need to be collaboration with the GeoTools
                    project but in the future with the GeoPackage and
                    SLD standards groups.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7A2B2E">__________________________________________________________________</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7A2B2E"><br>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7A2B2E">Technical
                    Architect – Enterprise Solutions & Defence</span><o:p></o:p></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:12.0pt;text-autospace:none"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C72E2D">SCISYS
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:10.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#343434">T: <a
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;line-height:10.0pt;text-autospace:none"><span
style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#343434"
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                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">SCISYS
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                  style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:gray">Registered
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                  UK.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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              <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:green">Before
                  printing, please think about the environment.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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