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    <p>Hi Julien,</p>
    <p>Nice to see you working through the incubation checklist. I think
      it will find it valuable for helping build your project.</p>
    <p>Re setting up an archived email list, yes, I think it is well
      worth doing.</p>
    <p>1. If you are emailing each other already, you may as well do it
      on an email list. It costs very little to get it working.</p>
    <p>2. Having an email list is a good way to attract users. New users
      will have a way to contact the developers, as a question, and
      occasionally offer to help (and grow your team). It helps create a
      sense of community. Probably start with just one email list (call
      it <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:devel@xxx.yyy.zzz">devel@xxx.yyy.zzz</a> or similar). Once traffic gets large enough,
      you might want to split out into user@xxxx and announce@xxxx<br>
    </p>
    <p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/07/2016 8:08 AM, Julien Moquet
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Hi Cameron,<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">I have followed your advice there :<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">And I will evaluate the impact for the
          3.0 draft of the incubation checklist you tells us about.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">We got some homework now !<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">I will begin to add what is missing in
          our bug tracker.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Eventhough, I don't know if we really
          need a mailing list, because we got an issue tracker already.
          What do you think of ?<br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">Regards,<br>
        </div>
        <div class="gmail_extra">Julien.<br>
          <br>
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        <div class="gmail_extra">P.S.: let me introduce you Nick B. in
          carbon copy.<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">Le 20 juil. 2016 10:29 PM, "Cameron
            Shorter" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>>
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                <p>Hi Julien,</p>
                <p>You might want to look at the OSGeo-Live incubation
                  page we have set up:</p>
                <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist"
                    target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Live_GIS_Incubation_Graduation_Checklist</a></p>
                <p>The OSGeo-Live project is not officially "in
                  incubation", but that hasn't stopped us from working
                  on addressing the incubation steps and answering the
                  questions.</p>
                <p>Addressing these steps ensures that you are building
                  a strong community project.</p>
                <p>You might also want to have a look at a proposed next
                  version of the checklist:</p>
                <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                    href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_Graduation_Checklist"
                    target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Project_Graduation_Checklist</a><br>
                </p>
                <div>On 20/07/2016 8:25 AM, Julien Moquet wrote:<br>
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                      <div>Hi Cameron,<br>
                        <br>
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                      <div>Thank you for your answer.<br>
                      </div>
                      I am totally agree, proj4php is a bit young (even
                      after 7 years !).<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>But somes continue to get interested on it.<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I am going to complete proj4php strategy to
                      match your checklist !<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>And as Jody tolds me, a first step will be to
                      became a community project.<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>I will keep incubator lists in touch.<br>
                      <br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Regards,<br>
                    </div>
                    <div>Julien.<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">2016-07-19 22:28 GMT+02:00
                      Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a></a>></span>:<br>
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                          <p>Hi Julian,</p>
                          <p>It sounds like proj4php has good
                            foundations, and would be a candidate for
                            being an OSGeo project in a few years, but
                            is still a bit young to be ready for OSGeo
                            Incubation.</p>
                          <p>I suggest a better checklist to look at is
                            the OSGeo Graduation Checklist. This is what
                            you would be aiming for if you wished to
                            complete graduation.</p>
                          <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html"
                              target="_blank">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/project_graduation_checklist.html</a><br>
                          </p>
                          <p>Cheers, Cameron<br>
                          </p>
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                              <div>On 19/07/2016 6:40 AM, Julien Moquet
                                wrote:<br>
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                                      <div>Hi Jody,<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      <div>I really appreciate your help
                                        !<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      However, it depends on what a
                                      mentor should be ! Does an osgeo
                                      member can be a mentor ?<br>
                                      I eventually know Thomas Bonfort
                                      by the past. He is a committer and
                                      PSC member of MapServer. I am
                                      going to ask him.<br>
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                                    <div>By the way, I am starting to
                                      make proj4php as a community
                                      project !<br>
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                                    Regards,<br>
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                                  Julien.<br>
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                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2016-07-18
                                    3:21 GMT+02:00 Jody Garnett <span
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                                        <div>Thanks Julien - have been
                                          collecting some applications
                                          on the osgeo issue tracker for
                                          incubation. Curently it can be
                                          tricky to find a mentor for
                                          new projects (or in this case
                                          new to OSGeo proejcts) - did
                                          you have a mentor in mind?</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I would encourage you to
                                          apply as an OSGeo "<a
                                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                                            href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects"
                                            target="_blank">community
                                            project</a>" - it is a
                                          faster way to be included in
                                          OSGeo (as it does not require
                                          finding a suitable mentor</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>Aside: We really should
                                          revise this list of
                                          application questions - thinks
                                          like the question on
                                          "infrastructure" was from the
                                          time when OSGeo svn was
                                          considered more cool then
                                          source forge CVS for version
                                          control.</div>
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                                                  <div>--</div>
                                                  <div>Jody Garnett</div>
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              16 July 2016 at 05:33,
                                              Julien Moquet <span
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                                                    <div>Dear OSGeo
                                                      members, Mr
                                                      Garnett,<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>As you may
                                                      know, proj4php is
                                                      an open source
                                                      project, started
                                                      in 2009, and
                                                      recently hosted on
                                                      github : <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://github.com/proj4php/proj4php" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/proj4php/proj4php">https://github.com/proj4php/proj4php</a></a><br>
                                                      This is not a huge
                                                      project, but we
                                                      got a tiny
                                                      community to be
                                                      grown. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      In order to
                                                      describe our
                                                      project, here is
                                                      answers for
                                                      questions from
                                                      this page :<br>
                                                      <a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html"
                                                        target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html">http://www.osgeo.org/incubator/process/application.html</a></a><br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div> > Please
                                                      describe your
                                                      Project. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Proj4php is a
                                                      php library for
                                                      geographic
                                                      coordinates
                                                      transformation
                                                      using proj4
                                                      definitions</div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Why is
                                                      hosting at OSGeo
                                                      good for your
                                                      project? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Most of library
                                                      using proj4
                                                      definitions are
                                                      hosted at OSGeo.
                                                      It gives the
                                                      project more sens
                                                      for the users, and
                                                      more visibility.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Type of
                                                      application does
                                                      this project
                                                      represent(client,
                                                      server,
                                                      standalone,
                                                      library, etc.): <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>library<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Please
                                                      describe any
                                                      relationships to
                                                      other open source
                                                      projects. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><a
                                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spatialreference.org" target="_blank">spatialreference.org</a>
                                                      as a source of
                                                      defs<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Please
                                                      describe any
                                                      relationships with
                                                      commercial
                                                      companies or
                                                      products. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>nop<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Which open
                                                      source license(s)
                                                      will the source
                                                      code be released
                                                      under? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>LGPL 2<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Is there
                                                      already a beta or
                                                      official release?
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>The 1.0 stands
                                                      for old releases
                                                      (php under 5.2),
                                                      and the 2.0
                                                      releases are the
                                                      latests.<br>
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                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > What is the
                                                      origin of your
                                                      project
                                                      (commercial,
                                                      experimental,
                                                      thesis or other
                                                      higher education,
                                                      government, or
                                                      some other
                                                      source)? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Proj4php gets
                                                      its origin as I
                                                      was stuck on delay
                                                      on a php project
                                                      with strong
                                                      hosting
                                                      constraints. I
                                                      translated proj4js
                                                      in php, and set
                                                      its source code
                                                      open the same
                                                      night.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Then a little
                                                      community started
                                                      to grow. Winne27,
                                                      nickolanack,
                                                      judgej made real
                                                      good work on
                                                      proj4php to
                                                      develop it and
                                                      help others to use
                                                      it. <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      > Does the
                                                      project support
                                                      open standards?
                                                      Which ones and to
                                                      what extent? (OGC,
                                                      w3c, ect.) <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>nop<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Has the
                                                      software been
                                                      certified to any
                                                      standard (CITE for
                                                      example)? If not,
                                                      is it the
                                                      intention of the
                                                      project owners to
                                                      seek certification
                                                      at some point? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>nop<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Is the code
                                                      free of patents,
                                                      trademarks, and do
                                                      you control the
                                                      copyright? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>yes<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > How many
                                                      people actively
                                                      contribute (code,
                                                      documentation,
                                                      other?) to the
                                                      project at this
                                                      time? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>We are 3 people
                                                      to help others to
                                                      fix their problems
                                                      or answering
                                                      questions on
                                                      proj4php.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > How many
                                                      people have commit
                                                      access to the
                                                      source code
                                                      respository? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      4<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      > Approximately
                                                      how many users are
                                                      currently using
                                                      this project? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Github tells
                                                      there is 48 unique
                                                      cloners the last
                                                      14 days, and we
                                                      got about 1800
                                                      downloads the last
                                                      30 days on
                                                      packagist.<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > What type of
                                                      users does your
                                                      project attract
                                                      (government,
                                                      commercial, hobby,
                                                      academic research,
                                                      etc. )? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I don't know<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > If you do not
                                                      intend to host any
                                                      portion of this
                                                      project using the
                                                      OSGeo
                                                      infrastructure,
                                                      why should you be
                                                      considered a
                                                      member project of
                                                      the OSGeo
                                                      Foundation? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>I don't
                                                      understand the
                                                      question !<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > Does the
                                                      project include an
                                                      automated build
                                                      and test? <br>
                                                      <br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div>Yes, we use
                                                      Travis<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > What
                                                      language(s) are
                                                      used in this
                                                      project?
                                                      (C/Java/perl/etc)
                                                      <br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                    <div>PHP<br>
                                                    </div>
                                                    <div><br>
                                                      > What is the
                                                      dominant written
                                                      language (i.e.
                                                      English, French,
                                                      Spanish, German,
                                                      etc) of the core
                                                      developers? <br>
                                                      <br>
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                                                    <div>English, but I
                                                      am personally
                                                      French<br>
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                                                      > What is the
                                                      (estimated) size
                                                      of a full release
                                                      of this project?
                                                      How many users do
                                                      you expect to
                                                      download the
                                                      project when it is
                                                      released? <br>
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                                                    <div>about 200 ko ?<br>
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                                                    Regards,<br>
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                                                  Julien Moquet<br>
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Software and Data Solutions Manager
Jirotech
Suite 112, Jones Bay Wharf,
26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B61%202%208099%209000" value="+61280999000" target="_blank">+61 2 8099 9000</a>,  M <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="tel:%2B61%20419%20142%20254" value="+61419142254" target="_blank">+61 419 142 254</a>, W <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.jirotech.com" target="_blank">www.jirotech.com</a></pre>
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Jirotech
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26 - 32 Pirrama Rd, Pyrmont NSW 2009

P +61 2 8099 9000,  M +61 419 142 254, W <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.jirotech.com">www.jirotech.com</a></pre>
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