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<p>OSGeo Board,</p>
<p>Re: the level of advertising provided to projects in incubation.<br>
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<p>I'm concerned that a board member has requested a concept about
incubation be taken to the Board email list, rather than Board
members with an opinion offering to join and help the incubation
list.</p>
<p>I'm concerned for a number of reasons:</p>
<p>1. The OSGeo Incubation committee has had problems getting
projects to move through incubation, which is significantly
sucking up volunteer resources. This was/is a significant problem
threatening the effectiveness of incubation. After much debate on
the incubation list, it was resolved collectively and
transparently that reducing the advertising value of "being in
incubation" would provide encouragement for projects to keep
moving through.</p>
<p>2. Board members are welcome to join OSGeo committees are
contribute to conversations. The time to comment on incubation
issues is when it is being debated at the committee level. Note,
that opinions hold much greater weight if they are backed up by
the commitment to implement the opinion. This is the principle of
a Do-ocracy.</p>
<p>3. If the board wishes to enable their communities, they should
trust the communities and back the community decisions.
Over-riding decisions of a community at a higher level is a
significant demotivator. It is a dis-empowerment of communities
and will long term lead to the dis-engagement of communities.</p>
<p>4. The recent conversation thread on the board list has not
offered a solution as to how to solve the incubation committee
problem of projects not progressing to completion. Note, a
suggestion along the lines of "someone else should do ..." doesn't
count as a solution.<br>
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<p>With regards to the level of advertising we give to "OSGeo
Projects in Incubation", I agree with the Incubation committee's
decision (as explained by Jody), that we should reduce the value
provided by "being in incubation" which increases the value of
"being incubated".</p>
<p>We should be helping new users find quality incubated projects.
You can think of it as a quality star rating if you like.
Advertising that a project is "in incubation" implies a level of
quality that has not yet been earned. <br>
</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/8/17 2:24 am, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On 1 August 2017 at 09:07, Venkatesh Raghavan <span
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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class="">On 8/2/2017 12:51 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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Venka they are visible as community projects on the
website and our<br>
promotion.<br>
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Jody Community projects and "projects in incubation" were
different and are listed<br>
as such on our present website. The decision to put them
together (as a part of<br>
re-branding) was neither informed to or approved by the
board.<br>
<br>
All project in incubation can display on their project
leaflet and website they<br>
they are striving to graduate as an OSGeo project and
undergoing our<br>
software vetting process.</blockquote>
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<div>Joining incubation reflects on the project team and
their wishes, their commitment as a team to the OSGeo
community. </div>
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<div>The branding associated with OSGeo Project reflects the
result. The branding associated with OSGeo community also
reflects a result. </div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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class="">
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Venka is there any reason for projects that are in our
incubation process<br>
to be considered for more visibility then our
community projects?<br>
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</span>
Jody I never talked about more visibility or less. I said
that Project in Incubation<br>
must be shown as such with appropriate logo.<br>
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<div>And I am asking you to consider why - what are you
trying to communicate with an Incubation logo and to whom?</div>
<div><br>
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<div>aside: "Incubation" logo, "Project in Incubation" would
be too long,</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Why? Because they are taking steps to graduate as OSGeo
projects and because<br>
that is how it was before changes were made without
information or<br>
approval from the board.</blockquote>
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<div>We can discuss the responsibilities of the incubation
committee and of the board if you like.</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Even the
PSC of project under incubation were not informed about
this.</blockquote>
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<div>Venka you are appealing to process - as such we can
always do a better job communicating it is true:</div>
<div>a) I have started this email thread here with the board</div>
<div>b) I have started an email thread on the incubation
list to communicate with project teams </div>
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--<br>
Jody Garnett<br>
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On 1 August 2017 at 08:49, Venkatesh Raghavan <<a
href="mailto:raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">raghavan@media.osaka-cu.ac.jp</a><br>
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wrote:<br>
....<br>
On 8/2/2017 12:44 AM, Jody Garnett wrote:<br>
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Any change from previous categorization would
require the approval<br>
of the board. I do not recall when such a change
was decided and<br>
how it was approved.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
The categorization has not changed, these projects
are part of the<br>
incubation process.<br>
<br>
Then let us continue to use the "OSGeo Incubation
logo" and provide<br>
visibility to our projects in incubation.<br>
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