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<p>Hi Jo,</p>
<p>I'm really excited to see you pushing Portable GIS forward. I
think that having a windows based OSGeo distribution is a great
complement to OSGeo-Live, as OSGeo-Live is tied into (and limited
to) being a linux distribution.</p>
<p>I also see potential for collaboration between OSGeo-Live and
Portable GIS. Eg, the OSGeo-Live Project Overviews could note
whether the project is available on Portable GIS.</p>
<p>We could also potentially align OSGeo-Live and Portable GIS
release schedules (which would help with aligning documentation).
<br>
</p>
<p>Re packaging, have you considered building with cygwin (which is
Open Source)?</p>
<p>I'm happy to answer questions about license. While I'm not a
lawyer, I have been involved in plenty of licensing selection
discussions, including for OSGeo-Live.</p>
<p>Re Portable GIS licensing, I assume your build tools are not
embedded in the final Portable GIS software distribution? That
would mean that the final software distribution does not inherit
to the license of the build tools. So I suspect you should be ok
to select what ever license you choose for the build tools. That
is how we have approached the OSGeo-Live build scripts, which are
LGPL. (Documentation is licensed under CC-By for Project Overviews
and CC-By-SA for Quickstarts).</p>
<p>Warm regards, Cameron<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/8/17 1:22 am, Jo Cook wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jody and list,
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</div>
<div>Having had a bit of a think about licensing, I had
previously chosen GPLv3 *for my components alone* and I think
I'm happy with that. As far as I can tell, I can license my
modifications alone with GPLv3 regardless of what the software
projects themselves are. I've had a look at how OSGeo Live
works, but that doesn't help much (<a
href="https://live.osgeo.org/en/copyright.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://live.osgeo.org/en/<wbr>copyright.html</a>).
Is there anyone on the list who could help me out with this-
basically to confirm or deny?</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Jo</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:55 AM, Jo
Cook <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jocook@astuntechnology.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jocook@astuntechnology.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Jody,
<div><br>
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<div>That all sounds really encouraging and yes I'd be
happy to go through the process with you and the team.
We (Astun) potentially have another project that we'd
like to submit for consideration too, and I'll be in
touch separately about that one.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regarding autoit, no you don't need to purchase
anything to use it. Having thought about this in some
more detail, I think I will try to move away from that
dependency and try to find an open source alternative
but that will obviously take some time to work through,
so it would be good if we could start working through
the process of becoming a community project while that
is ongoing.</div>
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</div>
<div>I'll make some tweaks to the repository to make sure
that the various docs are easy to find, and then maybe
come back to you when that's ready. I want to think a
little about whether I'm using the most appropriate
license too.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Regards</div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
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PM, Jody Garnett <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:jody.garnett@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">jody.garnett@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Glad to hear from you Jo!
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Although the "OSGeo community" initiative
was started last year, we have not had a
chance to try it out yet (perhaps due to lack
of publicity). If you are patient with us we
would enjoy going through this process with
you, and revising our notes as we go.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The wiki <a
href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo_Community_Projects"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">OSGeo
Community Projects</a> page has the
following recipe:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<p style="margin:0.5em
0px;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">If
your project would like to join OSGeo the
technology initiative asks:</p>
<ol style="margin:0.3em 0px 0px
3.2em;padding:0px;color:rgb(37,37,37);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">That your
project is geospatial (or directly
supports geospatial applications);
<ul
style="list-style-type:disc;margin:0.3em
0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Data
& doc projects would of course
need an appropriate data or
documentation license</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">That your
project is open source
<ul
style="list-style-type:disc;margin:0.3em
0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Uses an
OSI approved open source license</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">That you
know where your source code came from,
and that care is taken when accepting
external contributions</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Participatory
(accepts pull-requests)</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Along with a few notes on how we can
quickly check the LICENSE, CONTRIBUTING,
README files.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><b>autoit</b></span><br>
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<div><br>
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<div>Your question about <span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">autoit
is tricky, it is freely distributable - so
not a barrier to use. We are actually in a
similar spot for the GeoTools and GeoServer
projects. When they were first created Java
was not open source so there were some very
heated discussions with the gvSig team on if
you could ever make a free software solution
using Java.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br>
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<div><span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">But
we are an open source software foundation
(not at a free software foundation) allowing
GeoTools, GeoServer .. and by
extension autoit.</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:12.800000190734863px">This
question of Java still troubles us, while
Java is now open source, the image
processing library that was included in Java
is still only free to distribute. This
causes problems for the OSGeo Live and uDig
projects.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I would be concerned though if people need
to purchase autoit in order to work on your
project? There is a slight difference between
being required to purchase a tool, and
optionally using a tool. For GeoTools we can
"work with" the Oracle Database (if user
installs the right jars they have downloaded
from Oracle) or ArcSDE (if the user installs
the right jars they have purchased from ESRI).
However if a contributor is not in possession
of these artifacts they can still work on the
project as a whole.</div>
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<div>As you may or may not know, I
have been running a small project
called Portable GIS (GIS on a USB
stick for Windows) for a number of
years. The basic premise is to
provide a no-install, no-config
version of many of the common open
source GIS projects on a USB stick. </div>
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<div>Recently I built a website for
the project (<a
href="http://portablegis.xyz"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">portablegis.xyz</a>)
and I'm working through the process
of documenting and publishing all
the configuration changes that need
to be made to make projects portable
(mainly batch files to be honest).
This also includes the source code
for building the menu and installer
files. </div>
<div><br>
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<div>This is on Gitlab at <a
href="https://gitlab.com/archaeogeek/portable-gis"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.com/archaeog<wbr>eek/portable-gis</a>
so that I can now start accepting
contributions. Note that this
repository does not contain the
actual source code for the projects
such as QGIS, it just contains the
files that need to be adjusted to
make it work portably.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>One of my colleagues has
suggested that Portable GIS could be
an OSGeo Community Project, so here
I am, asking about it :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My main concern is that autoit,
which I used for building the menu,
is freeware rather than opensource
(see <a
href="https://www.autoitscript.com/site/"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.autoitscript.<wbr>com/site/</a>
and specifically <a
href="https://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/docs/license.htm"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.autoitscript.com/a<wbr>utoit3/docs/license.htm</a>).
My gut feeling is that this bars
Portable GIS from being truly open
source, and hence not suitable for
being an OSGeo Community Project.
Would that be correct?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If this was the only bar to
entry, I could certainly look at
alternative options for building the
menu.</div>
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</div>
<div>Regards</div>
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