<div dir="ltr">Fair enough, in my research I did find our policy - <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conflict_Of_Interest_Policy">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Conflict_Of_Interest_Policy</a><div><br></div><div>I am more concerned with a conflict of interest (in the money / financial sense) then a conflict of responsibility (where I am inclined to trust the volunteer to act responsibility).</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>--</div><div>Jody Garnett</div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 4 November 2017 at 11:47, Vicky Vergara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Cameron,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As you can read, I mentioned that:</div><span class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">"I
must say that, at least, the committee member with the conflict of interest, mentioned his involvement when voting"</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></span><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And also, I don't mention names, because the names are not the relevant topic, the situation is the topic.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br></div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Cameron Shorter <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cameron.shorter@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.shorter@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Vicky,</p>
<p>Jody sums up my thoughts well.</p>
<p>I believe I'm one of the people who has a conflicting interest.</p>
<p>(I voted +1 - noting my position on the OSGeo-Live PSC)<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Thanks Vicky, motion is not quite passed yet
(waiting on 100% response for the electronic voting).
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<div>I note that the <a href="mailto:board-priv@osgeo.org" target="_blank">board-priv@osgeo.org</a> list is
available if you have any questions you would like to raise
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<div>You can see a couple of approaches in play here:</div>
<div>- Earlier on the incubation thread I asked the incubation
committee to consider my early involvement with OSGeo live and
if it would be a hindrance to acting as mentor.</div>
<div>- During MOT1 voting I responded with +1, noting my role as
incubation chair</div>
<div>- During MOT1 voting you can see Angelos abstain with a +0
vote, noting his role as PSC chair</div>
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<div>The board has addressed these kind of tensions previously,
asking directors to acknowledge if they are affected by the
matter at hand - but still vote in a responsible fashion as a
director of OSGeo. This issue comes up a lot for directors,
because they are part of OSGeo and are affected by most
decisions.</div>
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<div>With your permission I would like to pass your question and
the above answer to the board email list. I try not to cross
post since that leads to madness.</div>
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Vergara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vicky@georepublic.de" target="_blank">vicky@georepublic.de</a>></span>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Hello
all</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">As
member of the PSC of OSGeo-Live, I am glad to read
that the motion of considering OSGeo-Live for
incubation has passed.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I am
concerned because the the incubator committee has a
member that has a conflict of interest because is also
a member of the PSC of OSGeo-Live project, and he
voted +1.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I
expressed my concern in the "Juez y Parte" thread of
[1], where is "clear" that there is no guideline of
the action to be taken on a committee member when
there is a conflict of interest. (the thread has a
link to the incubator committee guidelines [2])<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I must
say that, at least, the committee member with the
conflict of interest, mentioned his involvement when
voting, but he didn't step down from the committee, or
voted in such a way that his vote would not influence
the over all result like a (+0)<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> So,
The next step is for the board for approval.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">And my
concern grows thinking on how the board with two board
members also on the PSC of OSGeo-Live, so more
conflict of interest.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I was
doubtful of which was the correct mailing list to make
this post. (Here or Discuss) but having Jody as part
of Board, I leave the decision to him if this new
concern of mine "Juez y Parte" but for board making
decision on projects they belong to.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I want
things made done right. Our project application, as
far as I can see, can be used to make more precise
written rules/policies about conflicts of interest.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"> But
what I would not want is someone else in the future,
to notice and make a big fuss/attack of "how bad X
person acted when having a conflict of interest".<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span>I
wonder if there is a guideline equivalent to the
incubator committee guideline but for board.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Regards</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Vicky<br>
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[1] <a href="https://lists.osgeo.org/pipermail/incubator/2017-October/003394.html" target="_blank">https://lists.osgeo.org/piperm<wbr>ail/incubator/2017-October/003<wbr>394.html</a></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">[2] <a href="https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Committee_Guidelines" target="_blank">https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/Co<wbr>mmittee_Guidelines</a><br>
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motion has now passed:
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<div> Accept the OSGeo-Live <a href="https://trac.osgeo.org/osgeo/ticket/2002" target="_blank">incubation
application</a>, with Jody Garnett
acting as mentor.</div>
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Bannerman +1<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Bob
(CI-StPaul) Basques +1<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Landon
Blake<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Howard
Butler<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Arnulf
Christl<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Jody
Garnett +1 initial motion<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Dimitris
Kotzinos +0 (question between
project / initiative )<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Tom
Kralidis +1<br>
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<li style="margin-left:15px">Julien-Samuel
Lacroix +1<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Mark
Lucas<br>
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</span>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Steve Lime
+1<br>
</li>
<span>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Daniel
Morissette +1<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Markus
Schneider<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Cameron
Shorter +1<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Norman
Vine<br>
</li>
<li style="margin-left:15px">Frank
Warmerdam<br>
</li>
</span>
</ul>
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<div>Community support:</div>
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<ul>
<li style="margin-left:15px">pending</li>
</ul>
<div>Welcome to the incubation program
OSGeo-Live, I will take an action item
to the next board meeting for approval.</div>
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<pre>Georepublic UG (haftungsbeschränkt)
Salzmannstraße 44,
81739 München, Germany
Vicky Vergara
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Fax: +49 (089) 4161 7698-9
Commercial register: Amtsgericht München, HRB 181428
CEO: Daniel Kastl
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Operations Research
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